Enoch and Elijah Q

[NConly]

In John 3:13 Jesus says

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

curious if this could mean Enoch and Elijah came from Heaven and lived on Earth?

 just a question

[OneLight]

That is one question that could be asked.  I find myself wondering which heaven were they taken to?  Elijah and Moses appeared to Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration years after they were gone, so where have they been all this time in order for them to appear before Jesus?

[NConly]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

That is one question that could be asked.  I find myself wondering which heaven were they taken to?  Elijah and Moses appeared to Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration years after they were gone, so where have they been all this time in order for them to appear before Jesus?

The way I understand it; Earths atmosphere is the 1st heaven then what we call outer space is 2nd then the third heaven. Even though the Bible only speaks of the 3 heavens to me there may be more. Many things are not told to us at this time. Not sure where I stand on Moses showing up On the Mount. I would have guessed it would be Enoch and Elijah on the Mount. The verse I posted sure makes me think they were not just men but special.  There were many men who stood out way more than others but they did not Ascend to Heaven. Jesus and them are the only ones to ascend to Heaven

[OneLight]

55 minutes ago, NConly said:

The way I understand it; Earths atmosphere is the 1st heaven then what we call outer space is 2nd then the third heaven. Even though the Bible only speaks of the 3 heavens to me there may be more. Many things are not told to us at this time. Not sure where I stand on Moses showing up On the Mount. I would have guessed it would be Enoch and Elijah on the Mount. The verse I posted sure makes me think they were not just men but special.  There were many men who stood out way more than others but they did not Ascend to Heaven. Jesus and them are the only ones to ascend to Heaven

I agree, but would add "that we are told of".  As you said before, we are told only what God deems necessary.  I am sure we will be amazed with what we will be told and shown when we finally meet Him!

[Dennis1209]

There is much we are not told, and we can conjecture.

Philip was taken up (harpazo-Raptured) to another place on earth. Elijah was taken by chariot in a whirlwind, to where?

Unless Biblical chronologies of Judah and Israel’s kings are not accurate, Elijah personally wrote to the king of Juda well after his departure by whirlwind. I would be glad to technically point out the evidence if anyone is interested.

We know there are exceptions to the following verse, many have had to die twice, possibly the Two Witnesses also.

Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Will Enoch be an exception?

[other one]

let us not foreget

Quote

Matt 27:50-53
 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. 51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom, and the earth shook; and the rocks were split, 52 and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.
NASB

 

 

[Michael37]

7 hours ago, NConly said:

In John 3:13 Jesus says

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

curious if this could mean Enoch and Elijah came from Heaven and lived on Earth?

 just a question

There are a number of passages that provide genealogies, so I can say with confidence that Enoch was born on earth. He was the son of Jared and father of Methuselah.

1Ch 1:1-4
(1)  Adam, Seth, Enosh,
(2)  Cainan, Mahalalel, Jared,
(3)  Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech,
(4)  Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Luk 3:34-38
(34)  the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
(35)  the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah,
(36)  the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
(37)  the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Cainan,
(38)  the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

There is nothing to be gained from supposing Elijah did not have a natural birth. We are told what he did in OT times and we are told by Jesus that the appearance of Moses and Elijah with Him was a vision, perhaps something akin to a holograph in modern times, but certainly a representation of those departed saints residing in Paradise.  

Quote from Believer's Bible Commentary on 1 Kings 17: Elijah came from Tishbe in Gilead, east of the Jordan River, and was thus called a Tishbite. His history is recorded only in Kings. We are told nothing about his background, family, or call to the prophetic ministry. But that he was a man sent from God no one could deny. He was God's chosen instrument to bring adulterous and haughty Israel to her knees. His prayers could bring down blessing (rain) or wrath (drought and fire). He served his generation as a fearless, embodied conscience. His first recorded act was to announce to Ahab that the land would suffer a drought. This was obviously a divine judgment against idolatry. God chose to use a severe drought to get the people's attention. They did not care that idolatry had brought a spiritual drought upon the land, but they could not ignore the physical drought that typified it.

Mat 17:9
(9)  Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead."

[NConly]

52 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

There are a number of passages that provide genealogies, so I can say with confidence that Enoch was born on earth. He was the son of Jared and father of Methuselah.

1Ch 1:1-4
(1)  Adam, Seth, Enosh,
(2)  Cainan, Mahalalel, Jared,
(3)  Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech,
(4)  Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Luk 3:34-38
(34)  the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
(35)  the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah,
(36)  the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
(37)  the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Cainan,
(38)  the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

There is nothing to be gained from supposing Elijah did not have a natural birth. We are told what he did in OT times and we are told by Jesus that the appearance of Moses and Elijah with Him was a vision, perhaps something akin to a holograph in modern times, but certainly a representation of those departed saints residing in Paradise.  

Quote from Believer's Bible Commentary on 1 Kings 17: Elijah came from Tishbe in Gilead, east of the Jordan River, and was thus called a Tishbite. His history is recorded only in Kings. We are told nothing about his background, family, or call to the prophetic ministry. But that he was a man sent from God no one could deny. He was God's chosen instrument to bring adulterous and haughty Israel to her knees. His prayers could bring down blessing (rain) or wrath (drought and fire). He served his generation as a fearless, embodied conscience. His first recorded act was to announce to Ahab that the land would suffer a drought. This was obviously a divine judgment against idolatry. God chose to use a severe drought to get the people's attention. They did not care that idolatry had brought a spiritual drought upon the land, but they could not ignore the physical drought that typified it.

Mat 17:9
(9)  Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead."

Sorry The question was not if they were born on earth 

And no man hath ascended up to heaven,

only three people Enoch Elijah Jesus Ascended up to Heaven.

but he that came down from heaven,

the above underlined gives the idea that all three came from heaven and all three were born on earth and ascended back to Heaven

everybody else on earth did not come from heaven to be born or ascend to heaven like these three

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by NConly
correction

[Michael37]

20 minutes ago, NConly said:

Sorry The question was not if they were born on earth 

And no man hath ascended up to heaven,

only three people Enoch Elijah Jesus Ascended up to Heaven.

but he that came down from heaven,

the above underlined gives the idea that all three came from heaven and all three were born on earth and ascended back to Heaven

everybody else on earth did not come from heaven to be born or ascend to heaven like these three

Ok. Below is your OP. Sure reads like you thought Enoch and Elijah didn't have a natural birth.

9 hours ago, NConly said:

In John 3:13 Jesus says

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

curious if this could mean Enoch and Elijah came from Heaven and lived on Earth?

 just a question

Since Enoch and Elijah didn't come down from HEAVEN as did Christ, His being supernaturally and divinely conceived and not naturally, humanly conceived as were Enoch, and as far as we know, Elijah, then it is true that their translation to Paradise is not the equivalent of Christ's ascension to heaven.

Quote from Bible Believer's Commentary on John 3:13 Only one person was qualified to speak about heavenly things, since He was the only One who was in heaven. The Lord Jesus was not merely a human teacher sent from God, but He was One who lived with God the Father from all eternity, and came down into the world. When He said that no one has ascended to heaven, He did not mean that OT saints such as Enoch and Elijah had not gone to heaven, but that they had been taken up whereas He ascended to heaven by His own power. Another explanation is that no human being had access to the presence of God continually in the way which He had. He could ascend to God's dwelling place in a unique way because He had descended out of heaven to this earth. Even as the Lord Jesus stood on earth, speaking with Nicodemus, He said that He was in heaven. How could this be? Here is a statement of the fact that, as God, the Lord was in all places at one and the same time. This is what we mean when we say that He is omnipresent. While some modern translations omit the words who is in heaven, they are widely supported in the manuscripts and belong to the text.

[ayin jade]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

There is much we are not told, and we can conjecture.

Philip was taken up (harpazo-Raptured) to another place on earth. Elijah was taken by chariot in a whirlwind, to where?

Unless Biblical chronologies of Juda and Israel’s kings are not accurate, Elijah personally wrote to the king of Juda well after his departure by whirlwind. I would be glad to technically point out the evidence if anyone is interested.

We know there are exceptions to the following verse, many have had to die twice, possibly the Two Witnesses also.

Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Will Enoch be an exception?

Count me as interested