The Pre-Existence Of Christ

[Mr. M]

19 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

But we do need to devote time and attention to studying the Word of God with the help of the Holy Spirit. Our Father wants us to be knowledgeable regarding His Word.  Theology IS an academic discipline.  

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

- 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)

Less study, more receiving from above. If you are in prayerful contemplation of scripture, it becomes Truth

only when you receive wisdom from above. Not when you get an A on a school paper. You can enroll

in school, take a class, or you can follow the directives of James, and the Lord, and ask.

You must be born from above to receive from above, at which time you need no theological teaching,

you have an Anointing which is Christ. See 1 John 2:27

You must remember that the Paul who stated your quote, also said that his lifetime of education was

dung without the knowledge of Christ. I believe this is the basis of his election. He had a vast knowledge,

in Christ, he received wisdom, which gave him sound understanding.

Proverbs 4:7 Get wisdom first, then you can get an understanding.

[Mr. M]

38 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

You make it sound like the son is not eternal, but we know in John chapter 1, that all things were created through Jesus

nothing that was created was created without him,  

making him eternal because he couldnt have created himself

I understand your point. The Son is in fact eternal, he is the door from creation, which he participated in,

to manifestation, by taking the form of "the Light of Life".

John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,

who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Mr. M

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, ayin jade said:

I am a bit confused on your meaning here. Are you saying Jesus is not part of the Godhead, not part of the Trinity of God? Do you believe He is a created being?

I just reviewed my post and noted the ambiguity. Thanks for pointing this out. I feel I have cleared things

in the follow-up, so I am not going to go back and amend the statement. Hopefully, the elaboration will

actually help with the comprehension, in stages. 

Great point,

James

[Mr. M]

47 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

Yahweh the Father

Yahweh the Son

Yahweh the Holy Spirit

or the trinity

YHVH is the covenant name the Lord gave to Moses, for the chosen people to call upon

in the Memorial and Remembrance of the Torah.

Exodus, 6:3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty,

but by My name YHVH I was not known to them.

[kwikphilly]

10 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Less study, more receiving from above. If you are in prayerful contemplation of scripture, it becomes Truth

only when you receive wisdom from above. Not when you get an A on a school paper. You can enroll

in school, take a class, or you can follow the directives of James, and the Lord, and ask.

You must be born from above to receive from above, at which time you need no theological teaching,

you have an Anointing which is Christ. See 1 John 2:27

You must remember that the Paul who stated your quote, also said that his lifetime of education was

dung without the knowledge of Christ. I believe this is the basis of his election. He had a vast knowledge,

in Christ, he received wisdom, which gave him sound understanding.

Proverbs 4:7 Get wisdom first, then you can get an understanding.

Exactly- that's the " studying" we must take seriously ..  As we Meditate Upon the Written Word of God,seeking HIM with all of our heart,soul & mind - He Reveals - Jesus IS the Way,the Truth &;the Life

I must say,I have sat reading my Bibles and have walked away saying"what did I just read?" And not boasting I am an educated woman..... For years I " studied" with my carnal mind,ha- Ah but when I became like a child & humbled myself something changed....

By letting go( oh that spirit of pride)I would sometimes look up at the clock and found I was reading 4 & 5 hrs... . I had accessed the Mind of Christ just by letting go & asking His Truth - the Counselor also Reminded me of everything I fed my spirit with & did not understand with a carnal mind.....

I'm rambling,sorry.... " studying" is Feeding the spirit,I hunger and thirst for God's Word,for Jesus!

In His Love,Kwik

[Mr. M]

1 minute ago, kwikphilly said:

I'm rambling,sorry..

No, you are spot on. Give yourself a biscuit.

[Mr. M]

58 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

But we do need to devote time and attention to studying the Word of God with the help of the Holy Spirit. Our Father wants us to be knowledgeable regarding His Word.  Theology IS an academic discipline.  

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

- 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)

I just saw your ? on my first post. sister jade pointed out the ambiguity, and I have posted, elaborating statements

that follow. Please continue on, and I apologize. Maybe I should go back and amend the original.

Blessings.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Mr. M

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, ayin jade said:

I am a bit confused on your meaning here. Are you saying Jesus is not part of the Godhead, not part of the Trinity of God? Do you believe He is a created being?

No, thank you!

Thank me?

Oh no, I insist, thank you!

But surely I should be the one thanking you.

My friend, I am certain that in this instance, it is I who should be thanking you.

(Old cartoon reference. I believe they were chipmunks maybe. LOL)

[other one]

1 hour ago, Jaydub said:

If I may give you my  thought here, I don't believe to say Jesus and Yahweh is  actually correct. It was not the Father who wrestled with Jacob.

It was not the father who walked with Abraham. It was not the Father who spoke to Gideon. These were Christophanies.

John 6:46

No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

Because of this, we know it was not the father but the Son who appeared in the old testament 

I am that I am refers to his eternal existence. Jesus used the term for himself when he said before Abraham was I am

When we see YHWH, Yahweh in scriptures we now know that it is the name of God almighty. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Yahweh the Father

Yahweh the Son

Yahweh the Holy Spirit

or the trinity

You make it sound like the son is not eternal, but we know in John chapter 1, that all things were created through Jesus

nothing that was created was created without him,  

making him eternal because he couldnt have created himself

Jesus was part of the Godhead before he set all that aside and became flesh.  You are right he is the part of the Trinity from before creation.

But I don't see it as calling the Father Yahweh

 

[Jaydub]

2 minutes ago, other one said:

Jesus was part of the Godhead before he set all that aside and became flesh.  You are right he is the part of the Trinity from before creation.

But I don't see it as calling the Father Yahweh

 

what I meant was in my opinion, now we know the God of the old testament is a triune God

so to say Jesus and Yahweh is like saying, Jesus and the trinity