Will the Day of the Lord come as a thief, or will there be signs first?

[Your closest friendnt]

35 minutes ago, Keturah 123 said:

Most welcome, fellow traveler.

For THIS  world is NOT out home but we are looking towards a city whose builder & maker is GOD !

Yes indeed Jesus promise to us that through his fellowship and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit we will get a taste of the Heavenly before we go there.  He told us we must way...to experienced his fellowship while here on earth is something extraordinary...in all this noice ( and is not all bad) we have to learn to love to live here with the fellowship of the Holy Spirit and his...to learn that in him  we will never feel abandoned...when we feel abandoned he shows up...he is teaching us to trust him..

[Uriah]

8 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The 2nd Woe takes place in the Great earthquake "The Same Hour"

Again, you are reading linearly.  

A quake that affects 10% of 1 city doesn't compare with with "woes" statement. ("the inhabiters of the earth") The scope of the woes are larger/affect more people. 

Look at the passages. They show numerous separate visions, often parenthetically.

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, Uriah said:

Again, you are reading linearly.  

A quake that affects 10% of 1 city doesn't compare with with "woes" statement. ("the inhabiters of the earth") The scope of the woes are larger/affect more people. 

Look at the passages. They show numerous separate visions, often parenthetically.

I Strongly Disagree, your claim of a linear reading is a strawman argument

Once Again, Scripture is "very clear", 2nd woe the great earthquake, 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th Trump and final judgement (The Mortal End) there's no 5 month gap between the two witnesses being raised and the 7th Trump as you claim

The horse is dead, I disagree

Jesus Is The Lord

Edited February 1, 2023 by truth7t7

[Uriah]

4 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The horse is dead, I disagree

That's fine. 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

On 1/28/2023 at 12:21 PM, iamlamad said:

Is it possible that the Day of the Lord have signs preceding and still come as a thief? That does not seem possible.

Both Paul and Peter tell us the Day will come as a thief, so with no warning. Yet, Joel tells us the sun will turn dark and the moon into blood before that great and terrible day of the Lord.

This seems to be a contradiction. How do we solve this apparent contradiction?

Because  most people don't notice that the return of Christ is actually mentioned as 2 separate events. There is the rapture ( where he come to get his bride ) which is totally a surprise without any warning and will happen in an instant. Then there is the actual return when Jesus comes to earth ( with his bride ) to set up the Millennial Kingdom. This happens at the end of the tribulation and is preceded by many events and signs and even counting down of days. No one knows the day of the rapture ( like a thief in the night ) but all believers in the tribulation will know the exact day Jesus will come back in the clouds with his bride.

[Vine Abider]

8 hours ago, Keturah 123 said:

Amen.

Guess I'll do this since my quota on reactions is limited........

May I inquire why the limitations?

Welcome to the forum!  Regarding the reaction limitation thing I'm not the one to answer, but I bet @Marilyn C can.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

Because  most people don't notice that the return of Christ is actually mentioned as 2 separate events. There is the rapture ( where he come to get his bride ) which is totally a surprise without any warning and will happen in an instant. Then there is the actual return when Jesus comes to earth ( with his bride ) to set up the Millennial Kingdom. This happens at the end of the tribulation and is preceded by many events and signs and even counting down of days. No one knows the day of the rapture ( like a thief in the night ) but all believers in the tribulation will know the exact day Jesus will come back in the clouds with his bride.

I think I disagree on one point. When Jesus said "no man knows the day nor the hour, in context that was His Armageddon coming. I will NOT come on the 1260th day from the abomination. He will remain in heaven for the marriage and supper - so for an unknown time.

I agree there are two more comings, first FOR His bride, then about seven years later WITH His bride.

Where do you see the start of the Day of the Lord in relation to the rapture?

[iamlamad]

13 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The scripture your won't quote to support your claims of a pre-wrath rapture, because it doesn't exist

The truth is, you just can't find it. Your preconceived glasses prevent it.

[iamlamad]

13 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Once again, you refrain from posting scripture to support your claims made, because there isn't any

Jesus Is The Lord

Of course there are scriptures. You probably know them as well as anyone. However, preconceived glasses can block the true meaning of scriptures.

Did you not notice that John saw the just-raptured church in heaven, shortly after the 6th seal start of the Day of the Lord?

Perhaps you just don't know that the 70th week will begin with the opening of the 7th seal:  6 always comes before 7 in counting. This is why millions of people believe in pretrib: the 6th seal will most certainly be opened before the 7th seal.

If you don't wish to take God's Luke 21:36 escape plan, it is OK. You can still make it to heaven, but you will be put to death if you refuse the mark.

[iamlamad]

14 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

"False" The 2nd Woe takes place in the Great earthquake "The Same Hour" after the two witnesses are raised to heaven, the 3rd Woe comes quickly in the 7th Trump, final judgement (The End)

Revelation 11:12-14KJV

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 8:13  And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

Verse 8:13 tells us woe 1 comes with the 5th seal, woe 2 comes with the 6th seal, and woe 3 comes with the 7th seal.
 

Woe 2 is confirmed by verse 9:13