The Saints Being Overcome And Killed By (The Beast) Are The Two Witnesses, Not The Church On Earth As Many Teach

[truth7t7]

The saints seen below are the two witnesses being overcome and killed, not believers on earth as many claim, don't be deceived

Revelation 11:7KJV

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Edited February 7, 2023 by truth7t7

[tatwo]

On 1/31/2023 at 3:45 PM, truth7t7 said:

The saints seen below are the two witnesses being overcome and killed, not believers on earth as many claim, don't be deceived

Saints...who are not believers?

[AdHoc]

On 1/31/2023 at 10:45 PM, truth7t7 said:

The saints seen below are the two witnesses being overcome and killed, not believers on earth as many claim, don't be deceived

Revelation 11:7KJV

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

In this your argument fails: The Two Witnesses are killed at the end of the Great Tribulation. Verse 7 show the START of the Beast's reign. That is, the saints are Overcome right at the begining.

In this your argument fails. The whole New Testament shows the the majority of saints FAILING. In ALL seven Churches the Lord calls for OVERCOMERS. That implies that the bulk of Christians are OVERCOME

In this your argument fails: The Woman of Revelation 12 has three types of Offspring. (i) The Man-Child, (ii) those who had the testimony of Jesus Christ (Christians), and (iii) those who keep the commandments of God (the Jewish Remnant). For various reasons the Man-Child cannot be our Lord Jesus, but it does not matter. What matters is that "those who ave the testimony of Jesus Christ MUST FLEE to a wilderness FOR THE DURATION OF THE 1260 DAYS OF TRIBULATION. It is during these 1260 days that the Two Witnesses testify. And they (i) are certainly not Overcome, (ii) Overcome their enemies

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

In this your argument fails: The Two Witnesses are killed at the end of the Great Tribulation. Verse 7 show the START of the Beast's reign. That is, the saints are Overcome right at the begining.

Your claim is "False", the (Two Witnesses) are overcome and killed at (The End)

As was clearly shown, the (Two Witnesses) are "The Saints" seen in Revelation 13:7

Revelation 11:7-18

(Verse 7) (The Beast ) kills the two witnesses

(Verse 8-10) The two witnesses lay in a literal street in Jerusalem for 3.5 as a literal world watches in celebration of their death

(Verse 11-12) after 3.5 literal days of laying dead in the street, the two witnesses are raised to heaven

(Verse 13-15) The "Same Hour" the two witnesses are raised to heaven, the 2nd woe takes place in the Great earthquake, as the 3rd woe comes "Quickly" In the 7th Trump (The End)

(Verse 18) The "Final Judgement" takes place, also seen in Revelation 20:11-15KJV

Jesus Is The Lord

Edited February 7, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

In this your argument fails: The Two Witnesses are killed at the end of the Great Tribulation. Verse 7 show the START of the Beast's reign. That is, the saints are Overcome right at the begining.

In this your argument fails. The whole New Testament shows the the majority of saints FAILING. In ALL seven Churches the Lord calls for OVERCOMERS. That implies that the bulk of Christians are OVERCOME

In this your argument fails: The Woman of Revelation 12 has three types of Offspring. (i) The Man-Child, (ii) those who had the testimony of Jesus Christ (Christians), and (iii) those who keep the commandments of God (the Jewish Remnant). For various reasons the Man-Child cannot be our Lord Jesus, but it does not matter. What matters is that "those who ave the testimony of Jesus Christ MUST FLEE to a wilderness FOR THE DURATION OF THE 1260 DAYS OF TRIBULATION. It is during these 1260 days that the Two Witnesses testify. And they (i) are certainly not Overcome, (ii) Overcome their enemies

Dispensationalism that many follows "falsely teaches" that the book of Revelation is seen chronologically "False"

The book of Revelation is seen in "Parallel" teachings of "Same Events"

Example: Revelation 11:18 & Revelation 20:11-15 below, same event in the "Final Judgement"

Jesus Is The Lord

(The Final Judgement)

Revelation 11:18KJV

18 the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 20:11-15KJV

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Edited February 7, 2023 by truth7t7

[AdHoc]

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Your claim is "False", the (Two Witnesses) are overcome and killed at (The End)

As was clearly shown, the (Two Witnesses) are "The Saints" seen in Revelation 13:7

Revelation 11:7-18

(Verse 7) (The Beast ) kills the two witnesses

(Verse 8-10) The two witnesses lay in a literal street in Jerusalem for 3.5 as a literal world watches in celebration of their death

(Verse 11-12) after 3.5 literal days of laying dead in the street, the two witnesses are raised to heaven

(Verse 13-15) The "Same Hour" the two witnesses are raised to heaven, the 2nd woe takes place in the Great earthquake, as the 3rd woe comes "Quickly" In the 7th Trump (The End)

(Verse 18) The "Final Judgement" takes place, also seen in Revelation 20:11-15KJV

Jesus Is The Lord

 

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Dispensationalism that many follows "falsely teaches" that the book of Revelation is seen chronologically "False"

The book of Revelation is seen in "Parallel" teachings of "Same Events"

Example: Revelation 11:18 & Revelation 20:11-15 below, same event in the "Final Judgement"

Jesus Is The Lord

(The Final Judgement)

Revelation 11:18KJV

18 the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 20:11-15KJV

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Okay. I can see how this happened. You answered me from your point of view instead of mine. So let's start again.
1. We agree that the Two Witnesses are killed at the end of the Great Tribulation. Let's not waste more words on that.

2. On what basis do you maintain that the "saints" of Revelation 13:7 are the Two Witnesses of Chapter 11?

3. The word "saints" is used 101 times in the Bible and ALWAYS refers to God's people and NEVER once is it used to designate the Two Witnesses - even when they are personally mentioned in Zechariah 4. But, since they are God's people, they automatically are "saints"

4. Who do you think flees into the wilderness at the beginning of the the 1260 days?

5. If those "who have the testimony of Jesus Christ" are NOT saints, what are they?

But if we can agree that Revelation 13:7 refers to ALL of God's people left on earth, and thus they are ALL saints, then don't bother to answer the other questions.

Thanks bro - and go well

[truth7t7]

25 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

 

Okay. I can see how this happened. You answered me from your point of view instead of mine. So let's start again.
1. We agree that the Two Witnesses are killed at the end of the Great Tribulation. Let's not waste more words on that.

2. On what basis do you maintain that the "saints" of Revelation 13:7 are the Two Witnesses of Chapter 11?

3. The word "saints" is used 101 times in the Bible and ALWAYS refers to God's people and NEVER once is it used to designate the Two Witnesses - even when they are personally mentioned in Zechariah 4. But, since they are God's people, they automatically are "saints"

4. Who do you think flees into the wilderness at the beginning of the the 1260 days?

5. If those "who have the testimony of Jesus Christ" are NOT saints, what are they?

But if we can agree that Revelation 13:7 refers to ALL of God's people left on earth, and thus they are ALL saints, then don't bother to answer the other questions.

Thanks bro - and go well

Yes the (Two Witnesses) will be a replay of Moses/Aaron in plagues against Pharaoh of Egypt,  and yes Moses/Aaron were saints of the Lord

Psalm 106:16KJV

16 They envied Moses also in the camp, and Aaron the saint of the Lord.

Scripture is very clear, the saints having war against them and being overcome is the (Two Witnesses) screaming at you, before your eyes, same war, same being overcome

(The Beast) is given 42 months Rev 13:5, and the (Two Witnesses) the very same parallel time in 1260 days Rev 11:3

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 11:7KJV

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Edited February 7, 2023 by truth7t7

[AdHoc]

34 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Yes the (Two Witnesses) will be a replay of Moses/Aaron in plagues against Pharaoh of Egypt,  and yes Moses/Aaron were saints of the Lord

Psalm 106:16KJV

16 They envied Moses also in the camp, and Aaron the saint of the Lord.

Scripture is very clear, the saints having war against them and being overcome is the (Two Witnesses) screaming at you, before your eyes, same war, same being overcome

(The Beast) is given 42 months Rev 13:5, and the (Two Witnesses) the very same parallel time in 1260 days Rev 11:3

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 11:7KJV

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Thanks for the reply. The readers will judge.

Go well bro.

[Revelation Man]

Saints are a generic term for Israel/Jews, and John tells us this by the way he wrote in Rev. 17. 

Rev. 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

The Saints are seen by the Jewish Biblical Writers as Israel/Jews and the Church is seen differently, we are called the Martyrs of Jesus here. This simply means that ALL False Religion (Harlot) has killed both the Saints BEFORE the cross and the Church AFTER the Cross. 

[iamlamad]

On 1/31/2023 at 4:45 PM, truth7t7 said:

The saints seen below are the two witnesses being overcome and killed, not believers on earth as many claim, don't be deceived

Revelation 11:7KJV

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

It is true that the Two Witnesses will be killed. There will probably be millions more killed because they refuse the mark and refuse to bow.