Revelation 11:18

[Revelation Man]

On 2/7/2023 at 11:13 PM, abcdef said:

The armies are demonic, we agree. Some people see demons as, like in the "Ghostbusters" movies, free form vaporous apparitions.  That may be, in some cases. But usually the demons need a material body to inhabit. This is what I believe that is the situation shown at the 6th trumpet.

These "200 Million" are Angelic Armies, not demons nr men on horses. Just like the 144,000 is code for 3.5-5 million Jews the 200 Million just means 10,000 x 10,000 x 2 and thus the same principle a used, 10 is completion, ties 10 or 10,000 x 10,000 is just added emphasis by God. A myriad is 10,000 x 10,000.

So, why is it angels and why do people wrongly think it might be Demons or men? Well, they combine the Kings of the east and this passage, but ones the 2nd Woe and the other is a part of the 3rd Woe. As per why its angels, verses 20-21 gives us this great clue.

Rev. 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Demons do not deliver God's Plagues, Angels do. Satan can not cast out Satan.

 

So, why do people think these are Demonic beings? They do not understand they are not BOUND in the River Euphrates, they are BOUND to an APPOINTED TIME to kill people in that area.

Rev. 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

[abcdef]

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

These "200 Million" are Angelic Armies, not demons nr men on horses.

There are only 4 angels, not 200 mill.

 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Just like the 144,000 is code for 3.5-5 million Jews

I agree that the 144,000 is symbolic, but I don't agree that it is symbolic of what you say.

 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

the 200 Million just means 10,000 x 10,000 x 2 and thus the same principle a used, 10 is completion, ties 10 or 10,000 x 10,000 is just added emphasis by God. A myriad is 10,000 x 10,000.

Well, I agree somewhat. 

 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, why is it angels and why do people wrongly think it might be Demons or men?

Angels are spirits. If they are doing damage in the material world, as literal fire, smoke, and brimstone, then they need to have some form. 

The form is of horsemen and horses.

Then these would not be just spirits alone, but spirits of form in this material world.

 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, they combine the Kings of the east and this passage,

The Rev is parallel and consecutive, defining the end and the beginnings of the timelines of the passages identifies the parts that are parallel.

The trumpets and vials are parallel, but have different entities as their subjects. 

 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

but ones the 2nd Woe and the other is a part of the 3rd Woe. As per why its angels, verses 20-21 gives us this great clue.

 

 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Rev. 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Demons do not deliver God's Plagues, Angels do. Satan can not cast out Satan.

Demons are a plague on whoever is affected by them, pigs or men.

 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, why do people think these are Demonic beings?

Rev 9:19, Isa 9:15.

 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

They do not understand they are not BOUND in the River Euphrates, they are BOUND to an APPOINTED TIME to kill people in that area.

Rev. 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

" .... the army of the horsemen ..."

[Spiros]

 

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και τα εθνη ωργισθησαν και ηλθεν η οργη σου και ο καιρος των νεκρων κριθηναι και δουναι τον μισθον τοις δουλοις σου τοις προφηταις και τοις αγιοις και τοις φοβουμενοις το ονομα σου τοις μικροις και τοις μεγαλοις και διαφθειραι τους διαφθειροντας την γην

 

11.18 is interesting. Using isopsephy I notice(in Greek, the original text):

 

ΚΑΙ ΤΑ ΕΘΝΗ ΩΡΓΙΣΘΗΣΑΝ ΚΑΙ ΗΛΘΕΝ Η ΟΡΓΗ ΣΟΥ ΚΑΙ Ο ΚΑΙΡΟΣ ΤΩΝ ΝΕΚΡΩΝ ΚΡΙΘΗΝΑΙ ΚΑΙ ΔΟΥΝΑΙ ΤΟΝ ΜΙΣΘΟΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΔΟΥΛΟΙΣ ΣΟΥ ΤΟΙΣ ΠΡΟΦΗΤΑΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΙΣ ΑΓΙΟΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΙΣ ΦΟΒΟΥΜΕΝΟΙΣ ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΣΟΥ ΤΟΙΣ ΜΙΚΡΟΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΙΣ ΜΕΓΑΛΟΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΙΑΦΘΕΙΡΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΔΙΑΦΘΕΙΡΟΝΤΑΣ ΤΗΝ ΓΗΝ = 20444

 

During Easter Greeks proclaim: “Christos Aneste!” meaning “Christ is Risen!”. We note:

 

ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ ΑΝΕΣΤΗ = 2044

 

This thus creates a scenario for the Second Coming of Jesus the year 2044 AD.

But in the text that adds up to 20444 we notice that it consist of 44 words.

But lets return to the phrase for “and your wrath came” (kai elthen he orge sou):

 

ΚΑΙ ΗΛΘΕΝ Η ΟΡΓΗ ΣΟΥ = ΚΑΡΠΟΣ ΜΑΙΟΥ = 992

 

It adds up to 992 as that of the phrase for “May fruit” “karpos Maiou”. What is the fruit of May? I believe it is the Ascension of Jesus. The Ascension of Jesus is folλowed by his Second Coming.  As for:  “your wrath came” (elthen he orge sou):

 

ΗΛΘΕΝ Η ΟΡΓΗ ΣΟΥ = Ο ΟΥΡΑΝΟΣ = Η ΚΑΙΝΗ ΙΕΡΟΥΣΑΛΗΜ = ΚΑΝΟΝΙΚΟΝ ΟΚΤΑΕΔΡΟΝ = 961

 

It adds up to 961 as that of the phrase for “the heavens” (ho ouranos), “The New Jerusalem” (he Kaine Hierousalem), and “regular octahedron” (kanonikon octaedron).

We can write the phrase without the article as “your wrath came” (elthen orge sou):

 

ΗΛΘΕΝ ΟΡΓΗ ΣΟΥ = ΛΕΥΙΤΗΣ = ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΠΑΣΧΑ =  ΕΓΩ ΕΙΜΑΙ Η ΕΛΛΑΔΑ =  ΙΗΣΟΥΣ ΕΙΜΙ = ΚΑΙΝΗ ΙΕΡΟΥΣΑΛΗΜ = ΕΙΜΑΙ Η ΑΓΙΑ ΙΕΡΟΥΣΑΛΗΜ = 12 ΦΥΛΑΙ = 953

 

It adds up to 953 as that of the phrase for “Leuite” (Leuites), “Greece (on) Easter” (Ellada Pascha), “I am Greece” (ego eimai he Ellada), “(I) am Jesus” (Iesous eimi), “New Jerusalem” (Kaine Ierousalem), “I am the Holy Jerusalem” (Eimai he agia Ierousalem), and “12 tribes” (12 Phulai).

 

We can investigate the phrase “wrath came” as (elthen orge):

 

ΗΛΘΕΝ ΟΡΓΗ = ΔΕΝΔΡΟΝ = 283

 

It adds up to 283 as that of the word for “tree” (dendron).

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by Spiros

[Revelation Man]

23 hours ago, abcdef said:

There are only 4 angels, not 200 mill.

 

Yes, its 4 "Leaders" leading the complete hosts of heaven, a Myriad is 10,000 x 10,000 here we get two Myriads, but in essence this is just saying there will be four angels leading this attack, like Michael, Gabriel were lead messengers, these four are appointed to lead an attack in that region of the earth via the whole or complete hosts of angels from heaven. 

4 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

The four are leading 200 Million which I say is merely God using numbers to say the complete number thereof (its like God is saying I will not give out my secrets to men nor Satan, it is for Me alone to know) that I assign to wipe these wicked men out.

23 hours ago, abcdef said:

I agree that the 144,000 is symbolic, but I don't agree that it is symbolic of what you say.

It doesn't matter what who thinks what, all that matters is who is correct, in reality, my calling for 37 years has been Prophecy, and I also know when the Holy Spirit affirms these things, I went 30 plus years without the answers on this, which mean I wait upon the Lords truths, I do not just guess. The number 12 = Fulness and the number 10 = Completion  so 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 and That is the CODE !! Also, Zech. 13:8-9 confirms my numbers, it says 1/3 of the Jews repent, there are 10 million Jews living in Israel right now and 15 million living worldwide, my guess is most will eventually move to Israel, but I hedge that with the current numbers, thus 1/3 is 3.5 (rounding up from 3.3333) to 5 million Jews who comes to Christ unless Zechariah got it wrong (Smile).  So I don't just guess I put all the mosaic together. Its what I do.

23 hours ago, abcdef said:

Angels are spirits. If they are doing damage in the material world, as literal fire, smoke, and brimstone, then they need to have some form. 

The form is of horsemen and horses.

Then these would not be just spirits alone, but spirits of form in this material world.

 

Not quite, Demons are spirits, the have been disembodied, Angels have bodies my friend. Remember, the Sodomites wanted to have sex with the angels, Daniel saw Gabriel etc. etc. John saw them on horses just like he saw Jesus on a White horse, its was symbolic of a great battle at John's time. The White horse also symbolizes victory.

23 hours ago, abcdef said:

The Rev is parallel and consecutive, defining the end and the beginnings of the timelines of the passages identifies the parts that are parallel.

The trumpets and vials are parallel, but have different entities as their subjects. 

The Trumpets and Vials indeed run consecutive or in a liner mode, they have to be because the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe which comes from the 7th Trump. But the book of Revelation is not anywhere near linear. Rev. 2-3 is the Church Age, then 4-9 AND 15&16 are linear. Everything else happens within chapters 8,9 and 16, save 20, 21 and 22 which is after the 70th week of course.

23 hours ago, abcdef said:

Demons are a plague on whoever is affected by them, pigs or men.

Demons are allowed to go forth in Woe #1, but they can't KILL, only maim. The very next Woe is an Angel horde who are allowed to kill, but they kill only those with the Mark of the Beast. Now put it together brother (I just got this in full tbh) why would Demon spirts be allowed to main and hurt men for 5 months? Because its a part of Satan's tactics and God testing the unsaved, will they take the Mark of the Beast when push comes to shove? Or will they die as Martyrs? NOTICE, as soon as the 1st Woe ends the Angels start killing those who have the Mark of the Beast !! Satan can not cast out Satan. Those being harmed in the first Woe are not of Satan nor God as per their allegiance, but in the 2nd Woe the Angels kill off all of those who have taken the Mark of the Beast. See how and why that kind of goes together? I still say Satan will not kill Satan, but he would torment men who had not yet taken the Mark of the Beast.

23 hours ago, abcdef said:

Rev 9:19, Isa 9:15.

19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

John is seeing Angels kill men with the Mark of the Beast. They speak victory/Judgment with their mouths, but their tails bring judgment, its just a metaphoric explanation, comparing the judgments to a serpents sting. These are Angels, Demon will not kill people with the Mark of the Beast, Jesus told us Satan can not cast out Satan. He is not going to fight himself. My guess is Angels had tails that delivered death as it hit these people, thus John described it is a Serpents tail, but serpents do not kill with their tails anyway, he just described it as best he could. 

23 hours ago, abcdef said:

" .... the army of the horsemen ..."

200 Million Angels OR the Complete number thereof it takes for the job.

 

Edited February 11, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Desopixi Seilynam]

I think Revelation tells the same prophecy multiple times, each time using different visions to give different details of the one same repeated prophecy.

The seals are one telling.

Then the trumpets are repeating the prophecy but with different details.

Then the vials are another retelling of the prophecy with yet other details.

This we can glean from considering the end of Rev 6, Revelation 9:11, 11:7 and 17:8.

And so 11:18 is describing the end of the prophecy, the same end described in 19:19-21.

 

[abcdef]

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Yes, its 4 "Leaders" leading the complete hosts of heaven, a Myriad is 10,000 x 10,000 here we get two Myriads, but in essence this is just saying there will be four angels leading this attack, like Michael, Gabriel were lead messengers, these four are appointed to lead an attack in that region of the earth via the whole or complete hosts of angels from heaven. 

4 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

The four are leading 200 Million which I say is merely God using numbers to say the complete number thereof (I will not give out my secrets to men nor Satan, it is for Me alone to know) that I assign to wipe these wicked men out.

It doesn't matter what who thinks what, all that matters is who is correct, in reality, my calling fir 37 years has been Prophecy, and I also know when the Holy Spirit affirms these things, I went 30 plus years without the answers, which mean I wait upon the Lords truths, I do not just guess. The number 12 = Fulness and the number 10 = Completion  so 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 and That is the CODE !! Also, Zech. 13:8-9 confirms my numbers, it says 1/3 of the Jews repent, there are 10 million Jews living in Israel right now and 15 million living worldwide, my guess is most will eventually move to Israel, but I hedge that with the current numbers, thus 1/3 is 3.5 (rounding up from 3.3333) to 5 million Jews who comes to Christ unless Zechariah got it wrong (Smile).  So I don't just guess I put all the mosaic together. Its what I do.

Not quite, Demons are spirits, the have been disembodied, Angels have bodies my friend. Remember, the Sodomites wanted to have sex with the angels, Daniel saw Gabriel etc. etc. John saw them on horses just like he saw Jesus on horses, its was symbolic of a great battle at John's time. 

The Trumpets and Vials are parallel, they have to be because the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe which comes from the 7th Trump. But the book of Revelation is not anywhere near parallel. Rev. 2-3 is the Church Age, then 4-9 AND 15&16 are parallel. Everything else happens within chapters 8,9 and 16, save 20,m 21 and 22 which is after the 70th week of course.

Demons are allowed to go forth in Woe #1, but they can't KILL, only maim. The very next Woe is an Angel horde who are allowed to kill, but kills only those with the Mark of the Beast. Now put it together brother (I just git this in full tbh) why would Demon spirts be allowed to main and hurt men for 5 months? Because its a part of Satan's tactics and God testing the unsaved, will the take the Mark of the Beast when push comes to shove? Or will they die as Martyrs? NOTICE, as soon as the 1st Woe ends the Angels start killing those who have the Mark of the Beast !! Satan can not cast out Satan. Those being harmed in the first Woe are not of Satan nor God as per their allegiance, but in the 2nd Woe the Angels kill off all of those who have taken the Mark of the Beast. See how and why that kind of goes together? I still say Satan will not kill Satan, but he would torment men who had not taken the Mark yet.

19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

John is seeing Angels kill men with the Mark of the Beast. They speak victor/Judgment with their mouth, but their tails bring judgment, its just a metaphoric explanation, comparing the judgments to a serpents sting. These are Angels, Demon will not kill people with the Mark of the Beast, Jesus told us Satan can not cast out Satan. He is nit going to fight himself. My guess is Angels had tails that delivered death as it hit these people, thus John described it is a Serpents tail, but serpents do not kill with their tails anyway, he just described it as best he could. 

200 Million Angels OR the Complete number thereof it takes for the job.

 

Since this thread is about Rev 11:18,

Would you say that the 6th trumpet is part of the Rev 11:18 wrath,

Or would you say that the 6th trumpet is a separate wrath from the 7th trumpet?

 

 

[Revelation Man]

On 2/10/2023 at 6:42 PM, abcdef said:

Since this thread is about Rev 11:18,

Would you say that the 6th trumpet is part of the Rev 11:18 wrath,

Or would you say that the 6th trumpet is a separate wrath from the 7th trumpet?

 

By the way, above every time I used Parallel I meant Linear (LOL) I fixed it, it means just the opposite. Up too late..........So, you are correct Rev. is Parallel at places AND Consecutive in places, I do not know why that triggered my Linear brain, (SMILE), I took it as you saying the whole book of Revelation was Linear and Consecutive. 

ONWARD............TO THE REPLY ABOVE.

 

Rev. 11:14 The (1)second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the (2)seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, (3)kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; (4)because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the (5)nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

We must remember, Rev. 8:13 says the Last Three Woes to come will only come when the last three Trumps sound, so Trump #5 is the 1st Woe, Trump #6 is the 2nd Woe and Trump #7 is the 3rd Woe, and the 3rd Woe in full is ALL SEVEN VIALS !! So, lets now look at Rev. 11:18 or 14-18 as I posted above in order to get the full context.

1.) The 2nd Woe has past just after the Two-witnesses die, and the 3rd Woe is just about to come as soon as the 7th Trump sounds.

2.) The 7th Trump sounds bringing the 3rd Woe, which will finish off God's Wrath via the 7 Vials, which will bring victory by Jesus via the 7th Vial, but here in Rev. 11 we are only getting the Two-witnesses 1260 day Ministry which ENDS before the 3rd Woe ever comes, the Two-witnesses die during the 2nd Woe, so Rev. 11 chapter is a Parenthetical Chapter, we see the 2nd Woe spoken of because the Two-witnesses prayed down all of God's Plagues, that was their job, BUT we get the "Details about the 2nd Woe" in Rev. 9. Likewise we are told the 3rd Woe will come quickly, and then told that God will get victory from this 3rd Woe (7 Vials) BUT we get the "Details about the 3rd Woe/7 Vials" in Rev. 16. People do not understand everything save the 3rd Woe happens during the Two-witnesses 1260 day ministry, Rev. 8, and 9 happen during their 1260 day ministry also, but during Rev. 16 (3rd Woe/7 Vials) they have died and arisen to heaven. 

3.) Yes, the 3rd Woe will bring victory, but that victory is told via the details in Rev. 16. Rev. 11 is a parallel or parenthetical chapter which entails only the Two-witnesses ministry details.

4.) God will take back over this earth from Satan via the 7th Vial which ends the 3rd Woe. The Two-witnesses have prayed down the 7th Trump/3rd Woe but they die before it arrives. 

5.) The Nations are indeed Angry that God's Wrath has come, but it came in Rev. 8 via the first four Trumps, and lasts through the Three Woes. The Seals are not God's Wrath, they just unseal a book or scroll that has God's Wrath bound up. In other words as Jesus opens each seal he is pointing to the Message that will be revealed when the 7th Seal finally allows the Scroll of Judgments to be opened up. Jesus is merely foretelling the Anti-Christs soon to come 42 month rule via Seals 1-5 and foretelling God's soon to come Wrath in Seal #6 which comes to pass via the Fourth Trump. As the 7th Seal is opened, there is silence in heaven because its a very sad affair they have to judge and kill billions of wicked people, it is not a joyous time in heaven, REMEMBER, God repented that He flooded mankind. This breaks God's heart, and His servants in heaven also.

All of God's Wrath thus runs for  42 months or 1260 days from Trump #1-Trump #7. The 7 Thunders are God's Wrath told in prose in Rev. 10. The 7th Trump merely finishes off God's Wrath. 

So, in essence, Rev. 14 (Harvest chapter) Revelation 16:19, Rev. 19:17-19 and Rev. 11:18 all end at the EXACT SAME TIME.

Edited February 12, 2023 by Revelation Man

[abcdef]

14 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

By the way, above every time I used Parallel I meant Linear (LOL) I fixed it, it means just the opposite. Up too late..........So, you are correct Rev. is Parallel at places AND Consecutive in places, I do not know why that triggered my Linear brain, (SMILE), I too it as you saying the whole book of Revelation was Linear and Consecutive. 

ONWARD............TO TE REOLY ABOVE.

 

Rev. 11:14 The (1)second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the (2)seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, (3)kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; (4)because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the (5)nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

We must remember, Rev. 8:13 says the Last Three Woes to come will only come via the when the last three Trumps sound, so Trump #5 is the 1st Woe, Trump #6 is the 2nd Woe and Trump #7 is the 3rd Woe, and the 3rd Woe in full is ALL SEVEN VIALS !! So, lets now look at Rev. 11:18 or 14-18 as I posted above i n order to get the full context.

1.) The 2nd Woe has past just after the Two-witnesses die, and the 3rd Woe is just about to come as soon as the 7th Trump sounds.

2.) The 7th Trump sounds bringing the 3rd Woe, which will finish off God's Wrath via the 7 Vials, which will bring victory by Jesus via the 7th Vial, but here in Rev. 11 we are only getting the Two-witnesses 1260 day Ministry which ENDS before the 3rd Woe ever comes, at during the 2nd Woe, so Rev. 11 chapter is a Parenthetical Chapter, we see the 2nd Woe spoken of because the Two-witnesses prayed down all of God's Plagues, that was their job, BUT we get the "Details about the 2nd Woe" in Rev. 9. Likewise we are told the 3rd Woe will come quickly, and ten told that God will get victory from this 3rd Woe (7 Vials) BUT we get the "Details about the 3rd Woe/7 Vials" in Rev. 16. People do not understand everything save the 3rd Woe happens during the Two-witnesses 1260 day ministry, Rev. 8, and 9 happen during their 1260 day ministry, but during Rev. 16 (3rd Woe/7 Vials) they have died and arisen to heaven. 

3.) Yes, the 3rd Woe will bring victory, but that victory is told via the details in Rev. 16. Rev. 11 is a parallel or parenthetical chapter which entails only the Two-witnesses ministry details.

4.) God will take back over this earth from Satan via the 7th Vial which ends the 3rd Woe. The Two-witnesses have prayed down the 7th Trump/3rd Woe but they die before it arrives. 

5.) The Nations are indeed Angry tat God's Wrath has come, but it came in Rev. 8 via the first four Trumps, and lasts through the Three Woes. The Seals are not God's Wrath, they just unseal a book or scroll that has God's Wrath bound up. In other words as Jesus opens each seal he is pointing to the Message that will be revealed when the 7th Seal finally allows the Scroll of Judgments to be opened up. Jesus is merely foretelling the Anti-Christs soon to come 42 month rule via Seals 1-5 and about God's soon to come Wrath in Seal #6 which comes to pass via the Fourth Trump. As the 7th Seal is opened, there is silence in heaven because its a very sad affair they have to judge and kill billions of wicked people, it is not a joyous time in heaven, REMEMBER, God repented that He flooded mankind. 

All of God's Wrath thus runs for  42 months or 1260 days from Trump #1-Trump #7. The 7 Thunders are God's Wrath told in prose in Rev. 10. The 7th Trump merely finishes off God's Wrath.

 

14 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, in essence, Rev. 14 (Harvest chapter) Revelation 16:19, Rev. 19:17-19 and Rev. 11:18 all end at the EXACT SAME TIME.

The 7 trumpets and the 7 vials are parallel, it appears to me.

This is shown by the first 4 trumpets and  first 4 vials affecting the same areas.

The earth, sea, heavens, and the fountains.

I don't see that the vials are all contained in the Rev 11:18, 7th trumpet.

 

 

 

 

 

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, abcdef said:

The 7 trumpets and the 7 vials are parallel, it appears to me.

This is shown by the first 4 trumpets and  first 4 vials affecting the same areas.

The earth, sea, heavens, and the fountains.

I don't see that the vials are all contained in the Rev 11:18, 7th trumpet.

But they are. 

[Keras]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

But they are. 

The 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, are all separate events, which will happen in the order given in Revelation.   Proved by the 7th Bowl being Armageddon; Revelation 16:12-18