The End of this Age

[The Light]

16 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

That is a 'vision'?  Really?  Do you know what is written?  YES,

I rest my case.  THE SEALS have been opened.  You know it, I know it, EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

Pffftt. The seals are not opened and will not be opened until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in and the covenant is confirmed. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel.

16 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

WHO would put forth they haven't?  Who would want to take the wisdom and knowledge the words of God give us, GOSPEL ARMOR, make them into a LIE?

This is so typical its scary.  WHILE READING THEM with our very own eyes, KNOWING what is written and then CLAIMING that hasn't happened.
Isn't that, like the definition of being deluded?

You have no idea what you are talking about in this matter.

16 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

You know what the seals have ME looking out for?  THE things I KNOW haven't taken place but KNOW WILL BE because of the information given that was unsealed. 
 

THIS HAS YET TO TAKE PLACE  - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, WOE TO THE EARTH...

THIS has yet to take place -  whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming


The 6th and 7th seals.  

6 coming of the tribulation
7 the tribulation that comes after

Mmmm. The seals are not opened. The 5th seal takes place during the great tribulation. The 7th seal is the wrath of God.

16 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 

That is what I believe anyhow and until someone comes up with a MORE LOGICAL explanation or a way to make all of it future, I am going with what is written over what man concludes.  

I would say you are going with what man concludes rather than what is written.

16 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 

And yes, the ALIVE AND REMAINING will be caught up soon.  But in the order of events listed again and again 

If the alive and remaining were caught up before Satan, and taken to heaven,

what would happen when Christ returned? Are the alive and remaining just caught up again?  



 

Not following what you are saying.

[kenny2212]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I would give you the same suggestion

There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

So I'm guessing you also don't believe Methuselah lived to be 969 years old. Don't say the 1000 year MK can't happen, say you're finding it hard to wrap your head around it happening.

I'm sure you didn't do well in school. You're over-complicating and over-spiritualizing things. I'd advise you take the "first impression" an information gives you as a very important part of that information.

[The Light]

12 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Gods Divine protection of the Church on earth during the tribulation, the hour of earths temptation

The Church will not be on earth during the tribulation or the wrath of God.

12 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The Church on earth is instructed to enter their dwelling, until the Lords indignation is past, just like the passover in Egypt

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

This is talking about those in the nation of Israel that have fled to their place of protection. The Church is in heaven at least 6 years prior.

12 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 3:10KJV

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

This is the Church, those that are watching and ready that will be worthy to escape the hour of temptation. We are continually commanded to watch and yet it seems you don't believe He is coming in an hour that you think not.

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, The Light said:

The Church will not be on earth during the tribulation or the wrath of God.

This is talking about those in the nation of Israel that have fled to their place of protection. The Church is in heaven at least 6 years prior.

This is the Church, those that are watching and ready that will be worthy to escape the hour of temptation. We are continually commanded to watch and yet it seems you don't believe He is coming in an hour that you think not.

Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement As Seen Below, Something You Disregard "Why"?

There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

[truth7t7]

4 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

So I'm guessing you also don't believe Methuselah lived to be 969 years old. Don't say the 1000 year MK can't happen, say you're finding it hard to wrap your head around it happening.

I'm sure you didn't do well in school. You're over-complicating and over-spiritualizing things. I'd advise you take the "first impression" an information gives you as a very important part of that information.

I Suggest that you read God's words of truth above, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

[truth7t7]

4 hours ago, The Light said:

We are continually commanded to watch and yet it seems you don't believe He is coming in an hour that you think not.

No I don't believe in your claims of 5 future comings of Jesus Christ

I been around a long time and that claim is a first

There is "One" future coming of Jesus Christ, and it will be in fire and final judgement (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord 

Edited March 10, 2023 by truth7t7

[FreeGrace]

17 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Does God have a Lock & Iron Smith in heaven making Literal "Keys and Chains" to lock Satan up, or possibly accounts at Ace Hardware or Home Depot?

Your questions continue to be silly and irrelevant.  The Bible is clear that King Jesus WILL rule the nations with a rod of iron.  

17 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

You aren't taken seriously in your claims of "Literal", your argument is in the book of Aesop's fables

The exact opposite is obviously true.  You've neutered Rev 20 by your own fables.  I believe the literal words of Rrev 20 and KNOW what will come to pass.

17 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 20:1-2KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Yep, it's going to happen WHEN King Jesus returns at the Second Advent, and ENDS the battle of Armageddon.  All that is in Rev 19.  Rev 20 is a continuation of events after Satan is bound.  

I suppose you'll ask whether the chain is made of steel, cable, or rope.  Doesn't matter.  All just silly questions.

When King Jesus reigns over the nations, Satan won't be around to interfere.  Because the Bible says so.  Rev 20

[FreeGrace]

17 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

I believe changing those who turn to God in the MK from mortal to immortal is a light thing to do for God who translated Enoch and Elijah.

Sure.  That is all possible, for "nothing is impossible with God".  But, the question remains, why wouldn't God have included any evidence of that in eschatology?  What would be the reason for keeping that hidden?  I can't think of any.  

We already have a lot of details that unfold during and after the Tribulation, all the way to the eternal state and the NE.  So why leave out how babies will be present?

17 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

I don't believe God will tell us everything he's doing or about to do. 

Deuteronomy 29:29 (NKJV) -  The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Why would babies on the NE be so "secretive"?  It's a common occurrence now.  What would make that fact so secret that God didn't tell us about it?

[OneLight]

8 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I would give you the same suggestion

There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

This speaks of the Bema seat where Jesus judges the works of the believers, not Jesus returning.  Try keeping it in context to really understand it.

For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building.  According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.  For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.  Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is.  If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.  If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

 

[FreeGrace]

16 hours ago, OneLight said:

FreeGrace said: 

If that verse is about the NHNE, then obviously I didn't realize that.  But then, the bigger question is how are babies going to appear on the NE?  Since all believers will be in their immortal glorified bodies, and "like the angels, neither marry or are given in marriage", as Jesus told some very sad U see's. 

They appear as they were, just with perfect bodies, is what I believe.  Babies will still be babies and adults will remain adults.  As for being like the angels, I don't have all the answers, but like John said in 1 John 3:2 "Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. "

That makes sense;  that babies that died will be babies in eternity.

16 hours ago, OneLight said:

First, I don't have any problem with Isaiah 65, but it appears you do.  We are given only glimpses of the future in prophesy.  Prophesy is not all inclusive, which is why I always suggest we realize that not all questions can be answered through scripture.  What you are asking is not addressed, so all we can do is "guess" at best.  The truthful answer will have to wait until you can ask God.

I expect we won't have to wait to ask God.  There will be nothing to hide in eternity and it will all be clear.   

16 hours ago, OneLight said:

Remember, we see through a glass darkly, or in a mirror dimly.  (1 Corinthians 13:11-12)

So true!

16 hours ago, OneLight said:

With that, what do you think Jesus meant when John wrote about Him saying "Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”" (Revelation 21:5)?

Refers to the NHNE.  

16 hours ago, OneLight said:

  If He makes a completely new earth, will this be like the Garden of Eden again where everything was perfect?  We are told by John a little further down in verses 24-27 "And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.  Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there).  And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.  But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life."  What does scripture mean that only those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life can enter the New Jerusalem?  Will there be others alive whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life?  Will there be sin again in the New Earth?  If not, then why even mention it?

Could be simply an emphasis on the fact that only saved people will be on the NE.

16 hours ago, OneLight said:

So many questions and not all the answers are available.  That is the mystery of prophesy, it's details are lacking and only similarities are given, for the most part.

Amen.