The End of this Age

[FreeGrace]

4 minutes ago, kenny2212 said:

DeighAnn, please do not dignify FreeGrace with any more replies. He's a case!

Good advice when you have NO EVIDENCE to present that refutes what I say.

[farouk]

Just now, kenny2212 said:

What does death mean?

The fact that one is eternally separated from God does not mean that one ceases to exist.

[Alive]

1 minute ago, farouk said:

Perish does not mean, loss of being, but loss of well being.

(A perished tire does not cease to exist, but it is degraded. Perishable goods do not cease to exist but their quality degrades.)

Nope--

Gen. 2:7 (NAS20S) Then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living person.

This is God's first description of a human. Person or creature is how several translations render nephesh, which others render as soul.

As human is only a human when body and the breath of life is a reality--he then is a soul. Not the same as having a soul.

[kenny2212]

7 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

You sure like to try to insult others, huh.  What's going on there?

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Well,  does Matt 10:28 include a PROMISE? No, so New 23 isn't relevant to Matt 10.

Please read Matt 10:28 again and see where the promise is.

Is every word God wants to act on a promise?

Genesis 1:26 (NKJV) -Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

Is this a promise?

Edited March 17, 2023 by kenny2212

[farouk]

2 minutes ago, Alive said:

Nope--

Gen. 2:7 (NAS20S) Then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living person.

This is God's first description of a human. Person or creature is how several translations render nephesh, which others render as soul.

As human is only a human when body and the breath of life is a reality--he then is a soul. Not the same as having a soul.

A lot of unbelievers will say, "I'll indulge sin now, and then after death just cease to exist; fine by me".

Not how it works.

[DeighAnn]

5 minutes ago, farouk said:

I don't see annihilationism as being in Scripture.

chose life or death.  They aren't similar, they are opposites.  One continues on, the other ends.  


Tell me, how long could you watch a child of yours burning and on fire,

but not being burnt up?

Do you want to spend the REST OF YOUR LIFE with that EVERY SINGLE MOMENT OF EVERY SINGLE DAY?  

God is JUST.   EVERY thought and action MUST BE JUST.  WITH WHAT MERCY YOU SHOW is the mercy that will be shown to you.  WATCH with what measure you mete because IT MATTERS.  


WHAT exactly would your child have to do for THAT kind of retribution?  

Let's say I am WRONG.  There is ETERNAL DAMNATION AND for all of eternity GOD has burning souls burning.  

I get to standing there to receive from what has been in my heart and soul and what I have taught.  I HAVE TAUGHT MERCY AND FORGIVENESS and what I view as just.  

HOW much trouble will that bring about?  

Let's say you are WRONG.  There is no ETERNAL DAMNATION for all of eternity and GOD does not have burning souls burning, instead they were judged, the souls of those they hurt or killed were avenged, a sentence of death was given and a sentence of death was carried out. 
You are standing there to receive from what has been in your heart and soul and for what you have taught.  

How much trouble will that bring about?  

Love your neighbor as you love yourself.  

Just saying, If there is NO MERCY to be given from you, don't expect there to be  mercy given to you. 

It always comes down to GOD IS JUST and holy and righteous.  And work from there.  

 "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:" Romans 9:22 KJV

Destruction, Death, Destroy, Perdition, blotted out, vanish all of them speak to annihilationism 

Even Satan will be turned into ashes from within

[DeighAnn]

32 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

For the body, of course.

Which proves my point.  

since it takes A BODY to have the breath of life, and both to be a living being...

HENCE, no body cease to exist

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


 

[Selah7]

50 minutes ago, farouk said:

A lot of unbelievers will say, "I'll indulge sin now, and then after death just cease to exist; fine by me".

Not how it works.

God has a different plan from man who would like to see eternal suffering for those sinners who indulged in sin and somehow got away with it easy.  Man wants revenge.  

…but God’s ways are not man’s ways—thank goodness!  Our Father in heaven is a merciful God.  

Here is Satan’s destiny:

Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

In Hebrews chapter 12, we read that our Father is a consuming fire. He will destroy Satan and turn him into ashes.  Does that mean he'll burn for ever and ever?  Nope.  Read verse 19:

All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

What does it say again?  It says that Satan will BE NO MORE!  Satan’s very name in Greek is "Apollyon" which means PERISH. That is why he is called the "Son of Perdition.”  No sin or wickedness will ever exist in the New Jerusalem (the Eternity).  Won’t that be WONDERFUL? 

Edited March 17, 2023 by Selah7

[DeighAnn]

30 minutes ago, farouk said:

A lot of unbelievers will say, "I'll indulge sin now, and then after death just cease to exist; fine by me".

Not how it works.

IT IS.  It is what it is all about.  Why do you think God will RECOMPENSE us?  These judgments have to be made or else those who don't love God would live forever.  

They have to CHOSE for JUDGMENT to come.  

WHY are we as SHEEP to the slaughter?  SO, GOD could TORMENT souls for all eternity?  Is THAT THE PLAN?  

NO, it is so JUDGMENT that is JUST can be rendered.  DEATH is JUST to those who don't want to be a part of GODS KINGDOM.  Eternal torment is not, they don't want to be there and we don't want anyone who doesn't love GOD and HIS WAYS.

What would ETERNAL TORMENT accomplish?  They didn't ask to be born.  They were given a chance to live a life TOO GOOD FOR WORDS, and they will never see a second of it.  

GOOD RIDDENCE.  And if you REALLY sit down and THINK about it, since they are in a SPIRITUAL BODY that by design is incorruptible, GOD does have a bit of leway as to how quickly that death comes.  Not like this body, that goes dead in an instant.  


"While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal." 2 Corinthians 4:18 KJV


GOD could have made a bunch of robots that followed orders and said I love you.  BUT that isn't LOVE at all.  There is NO PLEASURE in that.  There is no excitement, no wonder, no awe it's all just perfunctory.    


Love comes from being given a CHOICE.  And to have people make choices they have to come in both good and evil.  

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2 KJV


We are WALKING through the valley of the shadow of death.  WE as SHEEP are HELPING in the separation of the sheep and the goats.  Why do we find JOY when we are persecuted?  WE ARE HELPING GOD and we will be rewarded.  

It ISN'T about the words (although it is all about the words) it is about THE PLAN and our part in it.  

I have said again and again, I would have NO PROBLEM being beheaded in the name of the Lord.  Do you know why?  BECAUSE THERE WILL BE THIS ONE TIME IN ALL OF ETERNITY that I can pick up my cross and follow Him.  NEVER AGAIN will this opportunity to SERVE GOD in this manner be available.  

Like Jesus FOR THE JOY that is set before us...we ALL KNOW this body ends HOW MUCH BETTER IF IT DOES SO FOR THE PURPOSE AND SERVICE OF GOD.  

Try to get out of that?  NEVER.  It's like Christians have forgotten or have never know what it is all about.  They look at this life like it is life when IT IS BUT A SHADOW of things to come.  

Sorry, done


 

[DeighAnn]

17 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

God has a different plan from man who would like to see eternal suffering for those sinners who indulged in sin and somehow got away with it easy.  Man wants revenge.  

…but God’s ways are not man’s ways—thank goodness!  Our Father in heaven is a merciful God.  

A thought struck me just the other day and wanted to know if you had noticed it or done any sort of study on it

Is the WRATH of God that is poured out upon the world, THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS?

I know, sounds odd.  Sometimes they are all of my own making, sometimes not, but, since it falls so nicely under the topic...