Pre-tribulation (for lack of a better word)

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

No you did not counter my argument. It was from Galatians and Hebrews. And now I add the fact that it was called, by Jehovah Himself, "The Everlasting Covenant" (Gen.17:7, 13, 19). He repeated that with Isaac and Jacob and in Luke 1:72-73 it is called by Zacharias, under inspiration, "His HOLY Covenant".

There is a very fine tactic used in Christian circles today. We paint a box black and write "Darby" on it. Then we repeatedly slander Darby and make his name black by propaganda and not facts. Then, anyone who does not agree with us on another subject, gets put in the black Darby box - also without coherent arguments. It's very effective because the modern Pastor is too busy managing the tithes he collected to teach the Covenants to his congregation (yes, that's what they call it even though it is the Lord's Flock).

You have entered a discussion about the rapture and made your main argument brother Scofield's adultery. In every one of your beliefs you have been met by a coherent argument. These you dismiss without comment and reach for one of the black boxes. May I suggest something. Don't waste your time calling others false teachers. Out-argue them and all will automatically see that they got it wrong. There are dozens of young and unschooled Christians out there. They've heard something, watched a Hollywood movie, or read Hal Lindsey's fiction on it. They are not false teachers. They are searching Christians who need to be able to chew on an argument for five years before they can accept or reject it.

Romans 2:28-29KJV

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

[truth7t7]

29 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You can be one of those that see His coming to Armageddon. That is, if you miss the rapture, then somehow stay alive during the days of tribulation. Why not rather pray to be found worthy to escape those days of great tribulation? It is your choice.

God's Divine Protection Of The Church During The Tribulation

The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation, Something Many Disregard As Non-Existent

Try Reading Exodus And The Plagues Upon Pharaoh And Egypt, It's Going To Be A Complete Replay

God's Divine Protection, "Open Your Ears"

(Revelation) 13:9-10KJV

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God's Divine Protection During The Final Hour Of Earth's Temptation, Just Like The Passover In Egypt, "Open Your Ears"

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Edited March 15, 2023 by truth7t7

[iamlamad]

45 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

God's Divine Protection Of The Church During The Tribulation

The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation, Something Many Disregard As Non-Existent

Try Reading Exodus And The Plagues Upon Pharaoh And Egypt, It's Going To Be A Complete Replay

God's Divine Protection, "Open Your Ears"

(Revelation) 13:9-10KJV

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God's Divine Protection During The Final Hour Of Earth's Temptation, Just Like The Passover In Egypt, "Open Your Ears"

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

"God's Divine Protection Of The Church During The Tribulation"

You have lots of scripture, but the application is wrong. The church will not be there. There are two scriptures that fit the saints during that time: Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 both tell us that the saints will be overcome. It is doubtful then, if you miss the rapture, that you will live to see Jesus coming in Glory.

There certainly is scripture that the Two Witnesses (who testify only during the last 1260 days) are protected until they finish their 1260 days.

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The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation

If by "tribulation" you mean the entire 2520 days of the week, you are mistaken. They testify only for 1260 days.

Paul is the only writer of the New Testament that had revelation knowledge of the rapture or catching up of the saints who will be alive at the time. It was a mystery before Paul revealed it. We find the timing of the rapture in Paul's writings. It will come just before God's wrath begins. 

John shows us God's wrath begins in REvelation chapter 6, and Christ's coming to Armageddon in chapter 19. All the events in the between chapters MUST and will come to pass after the rapture and before Christ comes to Armageddon.

Study to show yourself approved.

[Revelation Man]

On 3/15/2023 at 7:44 AM, The Light said:

Those seen in Revelation 7:9-17 are both the Church that is raptured before the seals are opened and the seed of the woman, Israel, that are raptured at the 6th seal.

No, the Woman is Protected for 1260 days beginning in the middle of the week, you just cant get your hands around the timelines brother. The SEALS do nothing, it astonishes me when Christians are told the Holy Spirit doesn't take over and guide you guys, I can see people never hearing, but when someone explains the Seals are Jesus prophesying, SHOW IT coming to pass via the 7 Trumps, you cant grasp it, its the pride thing far too often, we just can't as men change our opinions. When you get to heaven my brother in love, you will then understand everything I stated will become very clear. I can't make someone see what they refuse to see.

On 3/15/2023 at 7:44 AM, The Light said:

Incorrect. There is a rapture at the 6th seal when Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth as seen in Matthew 24

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Again brother, the timeline eludes you. Matt. 24:29-30 is the Second Coming and that happens at the 7th Vial. 

On 3/15/2023 at 7:44 AM, The Light said:

You are confusing the last 3.5 years as the wrath of God because of what is written in Daniel 12. The wrath of God only lasts one year not 3.5 years. The geeat tribulation is upon the people of Daniel and is over before the wrath of God begins.

The Wrath of God starts in the Middle of the Week. 

 

God Bless brother, pray for my bedridden mom and my 15 year old dog Bama, we just found out he has cancer and he's not doing very, well, its breaking my heart. Much Love.

R.I.P Bama March 2, 2008 - March 16, 2023 at 11:00 AM.

Edited March 16, 2023 by Revelation Man

[truth7t7]

11 hours ago, iamlamad said:

"God's Divine Protection Of The Church During The Tribulation"

You have lots of scripture, but the application is wrong. The church will not be there. There are two scriptures that fit the saints during that time: Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 both tell us that the saints will be overcome. It is doubtful then, if you miss the rapture, that you will live to see Jesus coming in Glory.

There certainly is scripture that the Two Witnesses (who testify only during the last 1260 days) are protected until they finish their 1260 days.

If by "tribulation" you mean the entire 2520 days of the week, you are mistaken. They testify only for 1260 days.

Paul is the only writer of the New Testament that had revelation knowledge of the rapture or catching up of the saints who will be alive at the time. It was a mystery before Paul revealed it. We find the timing of the rapture in Paul's writings. It will come just before God's wrath begins. 

John shows us God's wrath begins in REvelation chapter 6, and Christ's coming to Armageddon in chapter 19. All the events in the between chapters MUST and will come to pass after the rapture and before Christ comes to Armageddon.

Study to show yourself approved.

Once Again, I Disagree

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture

The church will be present on this earth to be eyewitnesses of (The Great Tribulation) and (The Second Coming) of Jesus Christ in the heavens as seen below

Luke 21:25-28KJV

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

[The Light]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, the Woman is Protected fir 1260 days beginning in the middle of the week, you just cant get your hands around the timelines brother.

I agree with this. Your error is thinking that the wrath of God lasts 3.5 years when it only lasts one. Another is you not realizing that the tribulation is over before the one year wrath of God begins. The trumpets are the wrath of God and the seals also as both happen in the same timeframe.

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

The SEALS do nothing,

The seals are the final week or the final 7 years. The sixth seal is the coming of Jesus at the end of the tribulation. Then the seventh seal is opened and the one year wrath of God begins with the sounding of the 1st trumpet.

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

it astonishes me when Christians are told the Holy Spirit doesn't take over and guide you guys, I can see people never hearing, but when someone explains the Seals are Jesus prophesying, SHOW IT coming to pass via the 7 Trumps, you cant grasp it, its the pride thing far too often, we just can't as men change our opinions. When you get to heaven my brother in love, you will then understand everything I stated will become very clear. I can't make someone see what they refuse to see.

How can I see your point of view when I can see that it is incorrect. You think that the tribulation and the wrath of God are the same thing. We can PROVE that they are not the same thing.

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Again brother, the timeline eludes you. Matt. 24:29-30 is the Second Coming and that happens at the 7th Vial. 

Yes Jesus comes in Matthew 24:29-31. However, that does not happen at the 7th vial. It happens at the 6th seal. You keep thinking the seals are nothing when we can go right down Matthew 24 and get the 1st 6 seals with Jesus coming at the 6th seal. 

He sends His angels to gather the elect FROM HEAVEN AND EARTH.

Mark 13

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

This is not Jesus setting His feet on the Mount of Olives at the end of wrath. It is Jesus sending His angels to gather the elect at the end of the tribulation. TRIBULATION IS OVER BEFORE WRATH BEGINS. It's in the Word.

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Wrath of God starts in the Middle of the Week. 

No sir. Wrath last ONE YEAR. Wrath begins after the tribulation is over.

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

God Bless brother, pray for my bedridden mom and my 15 year old dog Bama, we just found out he has cancer and he's not doing very, well, its breaking my heart. Much Love.

Sorry to hear about your mom. 92? And you are getting a double dose with Bama. Sounds like you are the one that could use some prayer. Don't get weary, time is running short.

Edited March 16, 2023 by The Light

[iamlamad]

11 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Once Again, I Disagree

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture

The church will be present on this earth to be eyewitnesses of (The Great Tribulation) and (The Second Coming) of Jesus Christ in the heavens as seen below

Luke 21:25-28KJV

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture

You are teaching false doctrine. It would be far better for you to say that you cannot find a pre-trib rapture.

We find rapture information from Paul. In 1 Thes. 4 & 5 Paul shows us that the rapture of those who are in Christ will come just before wrath and the Day of His wrath. Do you deny this?

If your answer is yes, then go back and study it again. Don't be a lone wolf: millions of believers have found this.

John then shows us that the Day of the Lord which is the Day of His wrath will begin at the 6th seal. Do you deny this?

If your answer is yes, then go back and study it again. Don't be a lone wolf: millions of believers have found this.

When then is "the tribulation" that is abbreviated in "pre-TRIB?" It is also called Daniel's 70th week. Do you disagree? If so, explain. Most of the church use these two terms to mean the same thing.  

The 70th week is marked in Revelation by sevens: It will begin at the 7th seal and with the first trumpet judgment. Some of the church have come to understand this. More will certainly follow. Where do YOU believe "the tribulation" begins in Revelation? 

Pre-trib is very simple: the rapture before wrath or just before the 6th seal. 
The tribulation begins at the 7th seal. Since 6 always comes before 7, the rapture is PRE-trib. It is plain as day.

[truth7t7]

6 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You are teaching false doctrine. It would be far better for you to say that you cannot find a pre-trib rapture.

We find rapture information from Paul. In 1 Thes. 4 & 5 Paul shows us that the rapture of those who are in Christ will come just before wrath and the Day of His wrath. Do you deny this?

If your answer is yes, then go back and study it again. Don't be a lone wolf: millions of believers have found this.

John then shows us that the Day of the Lord which is the Day of His wrath will begin at the 6th seal. Do you deny this?

If your answer is yes, then go back and study it again. Don't be a lone wolf: millions of believers have found this.

When then is "the tribulation" that is abbreviated in "pre-TRIB?" It is also called Daniel's 70th week. Do you disagree? If so, explain. Most of the church use these two terms to mean the same thing.  

The 70th week is marked in Revelation by sevens: It will begin at the 7th seal and with the first trumpet judgment. Some of the church have come to understand this. More will certainly follow. Where do YOU believe "the tribulation" begins in Revelation? 

Pre-trib is very simple: the rapture before wrath or just before the 6th seal. 
The tribulation begins at the 7th seal. Since 6 always comes before 7, the rapture is PRE-trib. It is plain as day.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Isn't A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Dont Be Deceived

The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived

1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!

2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% Yes!

3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

[iamlamad]

28 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Isn't A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Dont Be Deceived

The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived

1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!

2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% Yes!

3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Don't be deceived! Just three verses after 1 Thes. 4:17, Paul wrote of the Day of the Lord. Shortly after that He wrote of God's wrath. WHY would God write of the Day of the Lord and of God's wrath in a RAPTURE passage? It is obvious: the rapture will be the TRIGGER for the Day of the Lord.

Don't be deceived! John saw the raptured church IN HEAVEN and wrote it in chapter 7, NOT IN CHAPTER 19!

Wake up! The events in chapters 6 and 7 will take place over 7 years BEFORE the events of chapter 19. 

In your false theory, John should have seen the raptured church in heaven right after Christ's coming in chapter 19. WRONG! John saw the church in heaven just after the start of God's wrath at the 6th seal.

Don't be deceived! Jesus will come to Armageddon as shown in Rev. 19 TO STAY. He will soon after set up His Millennial Kingdom.

Don't be deceived: the marriage and supper will take place IN HEAVEN and John shows us the saints are all there, New Testament and Old Testament saints together for the marriage.

Don't be deceived: we all come WITH JESUS, all on white horses.

This is scripture rightly divided and correctly understood.

[farouk]

A good question to ask: Who will be the object of God's wrath on earth?

The church? (Really...?)

John 19.30: "It is finished".

Cf.:

'The storm that bowed Thy blessed Head

Is hushed for ever now;

And rest divine is ours instead,

Whilst glory crowns Thy brow.'