What does it take 'to Believe'?

[farouk]

16 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Thank you.  One of those enjoyable reads where you hit the scroll down and find it ends and you're sad.  I'll have to hit up your “How much belief, trust, and faith equates to saving faith?", thanks for the info

@DeighAnn Reminds me also of the principle of trust in Proverbs 3.5..............

[DeighAnn]

15 hours ago, NConly said:

I'm Glad they taught us about God.

I am having a strange morning as far as being able to comprehend what should be simple concepts.  

I understand the Bible was there, but since it couldn't be touched, and what was going on seems to not have been of anything taught in it...how could they have taught you about God.  Unless you are saying they let you know there was a Creator and disrespecting Him was not allowed...?


 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

I do understand that each  of us come  to accept salvation that are called to do so and foreknown and predestined too. I am unaware that any one way to receive that call  is the one correct one while other ways  may be incorrect.

And isn't that one of the hardest things for some to understand.  The MANY membered body and the MANY different ways He calls, the many ways one is delivered, the many different persons to do the many different jobs that are so vastly different it's hard to believe that GOD could love them all...and want you to do so...

But I have to ask, you didn't FEEL anything before that moment?  I personally can't remember a time I didn't KNOW God existed, I may not have had any TRUTH, but there was no doubt in my person as to His being.  No tugging, poking, pulling, tapping, nothing?  No questioning?  

You'll have to excuse me, but one of the hardest things I had to learn is, there is good and evil.  I am TERRIBLE at discerning the sheep from the wolves as it seems most of the wolves are better at being sheep than the sheep are, and up until I got punched in the gut TWICE within about a 6 month period, (should have heeded those warnings which I can't deny were given time and again) I TRULY believed there was GOOD in everyone.  Now, I know there is, just as written, wheat and tares and they have different fathers.  

But NO CONVICTION whatsoever is STILL hard for me to keep hold of. 

 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, kwikphilly said:

Okay- so you Believe one is Predestined to be Saved? Is that what you are saying?A selected individual created for Salvation? Pow,don't know what hit em?

I'm asking in all sincerity,not poking fun... But that is off Topic &:best for another Thread-a simple yes or no will do or no response is fine as well,not to derail this Awesome Topic!

In His Love,Kwik

 

Yes. 

What should we name the thread?  

[farouk]

@DeighAnn I tell my wife she seems to be a better judge of character than I am....

We pray and read the Scriptures together; by God's grace we hope to acquire a balanced all round sense of discernment....

[DeighAnn]

46 minutes ago, farouk said:

@DeighAnn Reminds me also of the principle of trust in Proverbs 3.5..............

Well done...


1My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:

2For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.

3Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:

4So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.

5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

8It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

9Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

10So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

Thank you

[Selah7]

49 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Are you saying we can know God without knowing the Bible?  Sorry if I am being thick,

but I hear read and read and NOT understand,

and don't know if that does or doesn't go with read and read and UNDERSTAND

or

not read and read yet still understand. 

 

Maybe before the foundation of the world we didn’t need the Bible because we were there with Jesus and we loved Him then—with all our heart ❤️!  … but perhaps not everyone did. 

[Selah7]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

Maybe before the foundation of the world we didn’t need the Bible because we were there with Jesus and we loved Him then—with all our heart ❤️!  … but perhaps not everyone did. 

Perhaps one-third didn’t. 

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

Maybe before the foundation of the world we didn’t need the Bible because we were there with Jesus and we loved Him then—with all our heart ❤️!  … but perhaps not everyone did. 

I think there was a PREDESTINED outcome for the ENTIRE plan of God,

which, when getting into the details of how it would all play out, includes some like Jeremiah, who didn't live a 'freewill' life by any means.  
 

 

4Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

6Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.

7But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.

8Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD.

9Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.

Which I don't think He does very often.
 

[Alive]

I find the language Jesus uses in John's account very interesting.

 

John 5:21 (NAS20S) “For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.

John 6:37 (NAS20S) “ Everything that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I certainly will not cast out.

John 10:29 (NAS20S) “ My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

John 15:16 (NAS20S) “ You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

John 17:24 (NAS20S) “Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me,