The Mercy Seat

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The "mercy seat" is kaporete (or similar) and means LID. That is all.

And is so translated in some....

Ex. 25:17 (NAS20S)   “And you shall make an atoning cover of pure gold, two and a half cubits long and one and a half cubits wide. ¹⁸ “You shall make two cherubim of gold; make them of hammered work at the two ends of the atoning cover. ¹⁹ “Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim of one piece with the atoning cover at its two ends.

[Mr. M]

3 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The "mercy seat" is kaporete (or similar) and means LID. That is all.

The use of 'mercy seat' for the cover of the Ark is archaic.

Translators were trying to equate the place where atonement was

made, i.e. the sprinkling of blood on the Day of Atonement,

to the statement in Hebrews, "come boldly before the throne of grace".

Granted, you cannot come before the Lord's throne without coming

before His footstool, but you cannot equate the two either.

[Alive]

But of course the important and vital word and meaning is 'atonement' that I have long enjoyed seeing as 'at one ment'.

:-)

[kwikphilly]

35 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The "mercy seat" is kaporete (or similar) and means LID. That is all.

Correct- MrM posted that explaining the Hebrew and it's meaning" cover" or lid,the cover of the Lords Footstool- good post on page 1👍

[Mr. M]

44 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The "mercy seat" is kaporete (or similar) and means LID. That is all.

kaporet from [H3722] kapar=atonement.

i.e. place where atonement was made, and yes

it is the cover of the Ark.

[Alive]

In the OP, I was hoping to provide a blessing to some members that might be struggling under the burden of condemnation.

What I did not mention and is at the heart of what the tent of meeting and what takes place there--is atonement. The atonement that Christ provides makes us to be 'one' with our maker, our Lord, our brother and our friend.

Our sin is done away with so that we can be 'one' with Him and He and the Father and the Holy Spirit can take up their abode in us as individuals and corporately.

THese things are important for new believers to understand. 

THese are the wonderful things that Exodus points to.

[Mr. M]

2 minutes ago, Alive said:

What I did not mention and is at the heart of what the tent of meeting and what takes place there--is atonement.

The tent of meeting is also where Moses went to hear from the Lord, and thus can be equated with our "secret place" of prayer and seeking His presence. 

Numbers 7:89 Now when Moses went into the tabernacle of meeting to speak with Him, he heard the voice of One speaking to him from above the cover that was on the ark of the Testimony, from between the two cherubim; thus He spoke to him.

This is the place of consolation, such as when, as you say, a believer is under condemnation. The atonement has been made, the Holy Spirit is our counselor, reminding us that we are justified in Christ, i.e.         NOT Guilty.

[Selah7]

44 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The "mercy seat" is kaporete (or similar) and means LID. That is all.

Thy mercy, O LORD, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds. Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O LORD, thou preservest man and beast. How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.

- Psalm 36:5-7 (KJV)

 

[Alive]

15 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

The tent of meeting is also where Moses went to hear from the Lord, and thus can be equated with our "secret place" of prayer and seeking His presence. 

I understand this and it is what is traditionally taught by many, but it is actually misleading and results in an incorrect understanding, which prevents maturity along important lines.

We are 'never' out of His Presence and He is never not in and with us.

These things are both vital to understand and fundamental to an individual's experience of true 'Rest'.

This notion of going in and out of His presence or fellowship is flawed and one of those things that is a real shame in most of christendom.

[Mr. M]

21 minutes ago, Alive said:

I understand this and it is what is traditionally taught by many, but it is actually misleading and results in an incorrect understanding, which prevents maturity along important lines.

We are 'never' out of His Presence and He is never not in and with us.

These things are both vital to understand and fundamental to an individual's experience of true 'Rest'.

This notion of going in and out of His presence or fellowship is flawed and one of those things that is a real shame in most of christendom.

This does not negate the fact that we are all instructed to have a special place of prayer. I have misled no one.

Matthew 6:6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.

This clearly is mirrored by the fact that Moses spent time in the tent of meeting with the Lord for fellowship, not for making atonement. The fact that Israel was always in His presence is based on the "cloud by day, and the fire by night". The point is there is a place to sit quietly and hear his voice. If that is taught by tradition, it is accurate.