Miami Beach curfew

[kwikphilly]

37 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

 Could be- Seems to me  that requires  well trained local militias, minute men of old style, and not the nutso's running around these days, not the anarchists and useful idiots being duped into trying only to destroy most everything, not to build and preserve freedom to have law and order for all people.

 

You don't have to be a highly trained sniper or weapons specialist,you just need to trained properly and to understand it's more likely you'll be killed if you point a gun at someone who is trained and your not or if you are not prepared to fire it at someone..  it's not an easy thing to do and many people are much better off without a firearm,they'd stand a better chance without a false sense of security

I can't imagine America ever without guns,it's not like Australia where the Govt said" hand over all your hand guns" and everyone did! Or can you imagine a police force with no firearms like the " bobbies"?Good luck with that!

 

[NConly]

19 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Its highly likely those people are not supposed to have guns in the first place,probably have priors and not their first rodeo!

I don't know where in Miami this all happened but let's not even throw Dade County in the mix with the rest of Florida! Firstly ,if they put a curfew in place then my guess is it was a part of town that I don't even consider America!!!!And I mean it,it's OK Corral down there in those Sections and God Bless anyone who speaks English or doesn't " blend" in appearance - the really bad things is their ":territory" has been making its way north and increasing rapidly!

   Pat,in my County,which is Broward( just north of Dade)you don't want to get caught with a concealed firearm- it's a felony 1 unless they wrote it up as "weapon" charge- no joke,and you are correct,if you have a permit to carry concealed or even to carry them there are conditions to do it lawfully --- even "possession",if your firearm is loaded and not properly contained in your car,your going to jail!

Responsible gun owners do not consider this " fun" or a party,I really don't like it when anyone blames crime on anything other than the people who are to blame for the crimes they commit- I was raised in NYC,guns have been illegal in NYC for all of my life and I never knew anyone that didn't own one!And there's a heck of a lot of shootings in NYC!Plus the NYPD used to issue only 38 revolvers and they needed to get with the program because they were " outgunned" on the streets!

When I was there it was called the hard hat area

[other one]

2 hours ago, Neighbor said:

 Could be- Seems to me  that requires  well trained local militias, minute men of old style, and not the nutso's running around these days, not the anarchists and useful idiots being duped into trying only to destroy most everything, not to build and preserve freedom to have law and order for all people.

 

Militias don't protect one or his family at home from all kinds of evil people, and militias don't protect you from a tyrannical government when the government has charge of the militia.  Besides that, the Supreme Court has declared the right to have guns is an individual right, not a collective right of the states.

So if you don't want a gun then don't get one, but don't tell me I can't have one for it is against the constitution.  Btw, I have carried off and on since I was 15, either on person or in my vehicle and certainly at my home.   It has kept me from muggins three times, and I've never killed anyone, though I did get close to shooting one of the muggers.

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, other one said:

So if you don't want a gun then don't get one, but don't tell me I can't have one for it is against the constitution.

Hi, I don't recall stating you can't have a gun, nor that I don't have any, either.

Right now two individuals are on coroner slabs instead of having a nice time while getting what used  to be Easter Break from college/university. A large community  has had to institute a curfew system to try to limit more violence and it's mayor wants nothing to do with young people on  "vacation" because they  are running around drunk, drugged,  and armed with lethal weapons, 75 of which police managed to get away from spring breakers.

"Houston, we have a problem."

 

What my history reminds me is that there was a time when there were indeed armories in townships, where weaponry was kept safely. Elected and selected townsmen controlled ready access for local defense, and yes there were the minutemen farmers that had their own weapons  close at handin the fields they worked dawn to dusk.

People had stuff they had to do. They didn't have time, nor inclination to take a gun to a beach city to raise all sorts of trouble including murder.

The times they have changed! And yes we do have a problem, one that your carrying a sidearm  or my carrying one isn't going to resolve.

These same individuals demanding their right  to party are the same ones  that are being told no need to pay your student loans, They evidently have no need of employment either, evidently their lifestyle is financed by others, likely family,  And even being sent to Miami beach for spring break.

The lack of self control or responsibility is  rampant. I believe it is one of the reasons individuals like yourself feel need to carry a lethal weapon these days. 

All I "asked" for was  prayer. May prayer  lead to action to make places and people safer than they are now, including those that are getting spoiled and suckered into thinking they are entitled to cause mayhem.

I think I will still stand on that concern for the young in our land. I will continue to be in prayer for the law enforcement personnel that are being called up to try to save lives too.

Such a shame that the progression of Easter  break to  just Spring break also comes with little need to do anything productive, and instead is an opportunity for a rather godless  mob to go about seeking trouble, finding it in the name of fun.

[FJK]

18 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

........ a nice time while getting what used  to be Easter Break from college/university.

What used to be Easter Break, those words by themselves identify the problem people are trying to deal with through gun control laws.

To get the right answers, you have to ask the right questions, something no one in the mainstream seems willing to do in this regard so no solutions will be found and the problem will not be solved.

[farouk]

4 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

   Pat,in my County,which is Broward( just north of Dade)you don't want to get caught with a concealed firearm- it's a felony 1 unless they wrote it up as "weapon" charge- no joke,and you are correct,if you have a permit to carry concealed or even to carry them there are conditions to do it lawfully --- even "possession",if your firearm is loaded and not properly contained in your car,your going to jail!

I guess on sunny Florida beaches and poolsides for some ppl it would hard to accuse them of carrying a concealed weapon - as in, 'But officer, concealed where?'

(Though I guess the reference to Miami Beach, above, might refer to the sidewalks and bars, etc., rather than to the beaches themselves.)

[Neighbor]

9 minutes ago, FJK said:

What used to be Easter Break, those words by themselves identify the problem people are trying to deal with through gun control laws.

To get the right answers, you have to ask the right questions, something no one in the mainstream seems willing to do in this regard so no solutions will be found and the problem will not be solved.

Actually, Florida has laws pertaining to lethal weapons ownership. It is seriously being considered to remove most all of them that remain. Personally I am indeed thinking that will lead us in a wrong direction, but I also understand it, I think.

I love the emotion of Sheriff Grady Judd, but the deliberate "show" he puts near weekly with the grand brave quotes  also lets the bad guys know to armor up and shoot rather than just sneak and steal.

So far I don't see it all being  much of a winning play.

I pray for peace here just as I pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Peace for our young that they may have a future that has some real peace, fellowship, and good purpose to it. Something more than I am coming to Miami Beach to get drunk party and do whatever pleases me when I an drunk  and drugged out of my mind.

 

 

 

 

[farouk]

40 minutes ago, FJK said:

What used to be Easter Break, those words by themselves identify the problem people are trying to deal with through gun control laws.

To get the right answers, you have to ask the right questions, something no one in the mainstream seems willing to do in this regard so no solutions will be found and the problem will not be solved.

I understand that in Ciudad Juarez over the river from El Paso, TX the gangs have reportedly taken to using machine guns, not just pea-shooters.

So I guess the citizens of Miami Beach are earnestly desirous of avoiding those Ciudad Juarez moments.

[kwikphilly]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, I don't recall stating you can't have a gun, nor that I don't have any, either.

Right now two individuals are on coroner slabs instead of having a nice time while getting what used  to be Easter Break from college/university. A large community  has had to institute a curfew system to try to limit more violence and it's mayor wants nothing to do with young people on  "vacation" because they  are running around drunk, drugged,  and armed with lethal weapons, 75 of which police managed to get away from spring breakers.

"Houston, we have a problem."

 

What my history reminds me is that there was a time when there were indeed armories in townships, where weaponry was kept safely. Elected and selected townsmen controlled ready access for local defense, and yes there were the minutemen farmers that had their own weapons  close at handin the fields they worked dawn to dusk.

People had stuff they had to do. They didn't have time, nor inclination to take a gun to a beach city to raise all sorts of trouble including murder.

The times they have changed! And yes we do have a problem, one that your carrying a sidearm  or my carrying one isn't going to resolve.

These same individuals demanding their right  to party are the same ones  that are being told no need to pay your student loans, They evidently have no need of employment either, evidently their lifestyle is financed by others, likely family,  And even being sent to Miami beach for spring break.

The lack of self control or responsibility is  rampant. I believe it is one of the reasons individuals like yourself feel need to carry a lethal weapon these days. 

All I "asked" for was  prayer. May prayer  lead to action to make places and people safer than they are now, including those that are getting spoiled and suckered into thinking they are entitled to cause mayhem.

I think I will still stand on that concern for the young in our land. I will continue to be in prayer for the law enforcement personnel that are being called up to try to save lives too.

Such a shame that the progression of Easter  break to  just Spring break also comes with little need to do anything productive, and instead is an opportunity for a rather godless  mob to go about seeking trouble, finding it in the name of fun.

Who goes to Miami for spring break?Nobody even comes to Ft Lauderdale anymore?South Florida has long since seen any spring breakers for many many years. ..it's very sad that these couple of vacationers decided to go to Miami for their vacation and we're killed ,unfortunately it happens all too often down there all through the year.    I can assure you it's not party town .....the beaches are  thebeautiful,the weather is great but not the place kids flock to( come on vacation/leave on probation as the saying goes)

Wrong place,wrong time or maybe the Appointed time- I just don't know.So where exactly did this happen?Miami Beach is kind of vague

 

[Neighbor]

4 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

You don't have to be a highly trained sniper or weapons specialist

Perhaps, but that is contrary to what our SWAT teams trainer reminds me. Train train train weekly.

This very nice portion of Florida has become a bit of an amature's shooting gallery of late. Police are getting shot up over very minor crimes. The bad guys they are worse than ever before.

So the solution is to continue to upgrade my own firepower? Ha reminds me of my then 89 year old uncle having a licensed trainer come to his home for an hour give him a test and hand him a certificate so that he could get his own concealed weapons permit. Oh he had to hold a small stick and say bang not actually fire a weapon.

My uncle's choice of defensive weapon for which he was getting a concealed weapons permit? An AK-47 he had ordered and received with three taped together clips holding a total of 80 rounds. It had been chambered to shot 9mm pistol rounds. I have no idea how he thought he was going out someday with his concealed weapon of choice.

Somehow we seem to be buying into the idea we each need to be able to shot someone. even 89 year olds! 

Now this man was able to memorize and quote while books of th eBible without pause, and was still learning more of the Bible to the day he died. yet he too felt boy I need a gun,  a big one 80 rounds on three taped together clips, that will be a good decision.

Time of the signs? I think so. People going nutso? I think so.