Do you believe in the incorruptible deceased body of saint (sacred graves) ?

[R. Hartono]

In this nation there are many occasions where many unbelievers claimed they found incorruptible bodies of  their "saints" in the graves. Many graves are said to have sacred power to grant wishes of believers who pray there. 

The same thing i read that RCC have their deceased saints bodies incorruptible and thousands believer make pilgrimage every year to pray there. 

Yeah i admit when i was in darkness i knew that kind of places that have strong energy and wish fulfillment. Tractors could not even remove it.

Tell you the probability of fulfilling your wish there is much much bigger then praying to God. That people fear and honour the place. They claim those graves help your wish been bestowed by God.

Do you believe its true ? What say you.

Moses took the bones of Joseph out of Egypt. It was bones. Anybody on earth holier than Joseph or Elias ? 

Elias body have become bones in his grave, read this 2 Kings 13:21 when a corpse touch his bones and resurrected. 

Imho as God said from dust man will return to dust. God is not a body balmer. 

God promise the resurrection, not preserved corpses.

Edited April 5, 2023 by R. Hartono

[com7fy8]

And it seems Jesus was resurrected on the third day so His body would not see corruption. That could mean even His physical body was capable of decaying.

[R. Hartono]

2 minutes ago, com7fy8 said:

And it seems Jesus was resurrected on the third day so His body would not see corruption. That could mean even His physical body was capable of decaying.

Amen, God promise resurrection not preserved corpses.

[Mr. M]

5 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

In this nation of largest Arab religion there are many occasions where people claimed they found incorruptible bodies of  their "saints" in the graves. Many graves are said to have powerful power to grant wishes of believers who pray there. 

The same thing i read that RCC have their deceased saints bodies incorruptible and thousands believer make pilgrimage every year to pray there. 

Yeah i admit when i was in darkness i knew that kind of places that have strong energy and wish fulfillment. Tractors could not even removed it.

Do you believe its true ? What say you.

Moses took the bones of Joseph out of Egypt. It was bones. Anybody on earth holier than Joseph or Elias ? 

Elias body have become bones in his grave, read this 2 Kings 13:21 when a corpse touch his bones and resurrected. 

Imho as God said from dust man will return to dust. God is not a body balmer. 

I am aware of how Elisha's bones resurrected a dead man, but I don't see how that would apply to an incorruptible body of a saint. I certainly do not believe in this to the extent of making a pilgrimage to a tomb, but I would not deny the possibility. It simply would not direct my actions, as noted. Only the Lord is said to have experienced no corruption in the grave. A sepulcher of bones is hardly evidence of incorruption, Jesus rose in the flesh.

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, com7fy8 said:

And it seems Jesus was resurrected on the third day so His body would not see corruption. That could mean even His physical body was capable of decaying.

Lazarus spent four days in the grave, kept by the power of God for a miraculous sign.

Jesus was promised to see no corruption by scripture, which cannot be broken, so I 

would not conclude that the "third day" was to rush Him back to avoid corruption.

In that case also, it is stated "to fulfill the scriptures". This is the power of God's Word.

Psalm 16:10 For You will not leave my soul in Sheol,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.

Peter assured his audience that David saw corruption, and he was the Lord's Anointed.

Acts 2:29-31 Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

Edited March 24, 2023 by Mr. M
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[AdHoc]

8 hours ago, com7fy8 said:

And it seems Jesus was resurrected on the third day so His body would not see corruption. That could mean even His physical body was capable of decaying.

Yes. The prohibition on the decaying of the corpse of Jesus was by a command of the Father. Without this command I believe that decay would have taken its normal course.

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. (Heb 2:14–18)

But the bottom line is that men are  corruptible, and even if they weren't, they were after God said that they would return to the dust. The councils of God are immutable.

[Neighbor]

23 hours ago, com7fy8 said:

And it seems Jesus was resurrected on the third day so His body would not see corruption. That could mean even His physical body was capable of decaying.

Hi, Don't think so. 

My Lord's physical human body was subject to being torn apart, bleeding, suffering shock, and even death. But he was not going to decompose nor decay.

Why? Because he pleased his father doing his father's will He did not remain in a tomb wrapped in herbs and spices. He was still about His father's business having conquered even death. 

His own ascension occurred some forty days after his resurrection.  He will return.

 

 

[R. Hartono]

On 3/24/2023 at 9:38 PM, Mr. M said:

I am aware of how Elisha's bones resurrected a dead man, but I don't see how that would apply to an incorruptible body of a saint. I certainly do not believe in this to the extent of making a pilgrimage to a tomb, but I would not deny the possibility. It simply would not direct my actions, as noted. Only the Lord is said to have experienced no corruption in the grave. A sepulcher of bones is hardly evidence of incorruption, Jesus rose in the flesh.

There are many many "sacred" graves in this nation of the largest Arab religion, people pray there for their famous power to bestow their prayers.

[AdHoc]

On 3/25/2023 at 3:35 PM, Neighbor said:

My Lord's physical human body was subject to being torn apart, bleeding, suffering shock, and even death. But he was not going to decompose nor decay.

Why? Because he pleased his father doing his father's will He did not remain in a tomb wrapped in herbs and spices. He was still about His father's business having conquered even death. 

His own ascension occurred some forty days after his resurrection.  He will return.

Certainly our Lord pleased the Father and was favored beyond other men. But the reason our bodies "corrupt" themselves is that they come from a seed that is corrupt - Adam's (Rom.5:12-17). 1st Corinthians 15 says that at death, we are "sown in corruption" (v.42). Not so with Christ's body. It did not come from the man Adam and though He took our sins upon himself, they never became part of him. When Jesus died he was the unique exception to all men. he was not sown in corruption.

[Neighbor]

56 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

he was not sown in corruption.

Nor did He ever sin while manifested as fully man in order to do His Father's will by taking on himself the wrath of His Father against man who did sin against God.