Are GODS ELECT truly those REJECTING Him today?

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, LiveWire said:

The mention of the Multitude are in relationship and in the same Chapter where we also discover Who are, and what Role, the 144k, have once we know they represent the 12 Tribes and so forth.  Most Theologians and Scholars agree they are connected [the great Multitude + 144k Evangelist]. 

They look completely separate from the 144000 to me.The 144000 of the tribes of Israel are probably from Israel where the great multitute from the nations are most likely from the nations.

[Shilohsfoal]

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

27And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.

28But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

31For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

10Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

12But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

18But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

19In your patience possess ye your souls.

20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

 

22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days!
for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.


WHO WILL HAVE A CHILD when Christ returns?  NOT ANY VIRGINS but only those who have been UNFAITHFUL, deceived, have worshiped another, took the mark of the beast...



24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

 

27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Yes,about everyone in Israel will recieve the mark of the beast. Thats why there is wrath upon that people.

[Shilohsfoal]

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

AGAIN, flesh and BLOOD can not...


AKA sown a natural body,  RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY 

or

alive and remaining and CHANGED.  

I said the great multitude were not executed.I didn't say they had not been changed.

The great multitude were not killed during the tribulation in Israel.They come out of the great tribulation which takes place after the 42 months persecution of the saints in Israel.

Have you not read ,the people of the nations that recieve rain are not destroyed.They go up to Jerusalem year after year to worship the lord of hosts at Jerusalem.

They are not resurected.They didn't die.

[Selah7]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

A fairy tale, only the "Remnant Elect" Jew, those chosen by God's foreknowledge will be saved, the 1/3 as the rest 2/3 will be cut off and die

Zechariah 13:8KJV

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

 

Amen! And verse 9 makes it crystal clear!

And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

- Zechariah 13:9 (KJV)

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

Alternative view from The Believer's Bible Commentary:

Rev 14:4, 5 They are described as virgins, those who have not defiled themselves with women. They had kept themselves free from the terrible idolatry and immorality of this period and followed the Lamb in unquestioning obedience and devotion. Pentecost says, “They are called ‘the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb’, that is, they are the first of the harvest of the tribulation period that will come into the millennium to populate the millennial earth.” They did not accept the lie of the Antichrist—that a mere man was to be worshiped. They were blameless as far as their steadfast confession of Christ was concerned.

No such thing as a Millennial Earth as you continue to claim, it's a man made fabricated fairy tale

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV

1 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Edited May 2, 2023 by truth7t7

[Revelation Man]

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Certainly He wasn't speaking about JEWS, THEY DON'T READ THE BOOK.  Talk about an UNPRODUCTIVE way to do things.  How is it GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING all the time ABOUT ALL TIME,

Do you have a comprehension problem sister? Did Jesus LIE? 

Matt. 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Don't allow how God chooses to those He elects and chooses to hinder your Christian walk, I sense an anti Israel sentiment with you, and as a Christian I do not understand that at all. We are all lost sinners until God sends the Holy Spirit to draw us unto Him. He chooses to send his Holy Spirit to draw men, even single Jewish men, but God also can use and draw nations unto Himself, he used Cyrus, he used the United States to push His Gospel out for the last 250 years after Europe started becoming distant from Him or had Churches led by states/politics. 

God draws Israel unto Himself, NO BECAUSE OF THEM.......Go read it, but He does so because it will glorify His name, because he foretold all of these things long ago, God states he does not redeem  Israel because of them, but for His own Holy Name, I have showed that unto you before, you only receive what you want to receive at times. 

I will show you WHY God brings Israel back via His own words through Ezekiel the Prophet !! I will even HIGHLIGHT and underline the parts you need to read.  

Ezekiel 36:16 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:

19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.

20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the Lord, and are gone forth out of his land.

21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.

30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.

31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord God, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

33 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes(Israel was a deserted WASTE LAND in 1948) shall be builded.

34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.

35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the Lord build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the Lord have spoken it, and I will do it.

37 Thus saith the Lord God; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.

38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the Lord.

So, God took a barren land, laid waste, and Glorified His own name by bringing His called/chosen people back into the land. What pat of that is confusing unto you sister? The Church IS NOT Israel, we DID NOT take their place !!! You do understand that teaching is in error right? 

I have business in the big city, you need to read the whole bible sister and put t all together, don't just cling to other men's points of view, this whole "The Church has replaced Israel" is a bunch of hooey sister. 

God Bless.

[Revelation Man]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

A fairy tale, only the "Remnant Elect" Jew, those chosen by God's foreknowledge will be saved, the 1/3 as the rest 2/3 will be cut off and die

Zechariah 13:8KJV

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

 

The very passage you quote says 3.5-5 million Jews will be saved, there are 10 million Jews living in Israel and 15 million world wide, thus the number 3.5-5 million. 

And you not knowing that God FORE CHOOSES no one is not surprising to me, we all must indeed come to Christ Jesus by FAITH ALONE !! God FOREKNOWING is not God CHOOSING those who get saved, good grief brother. He only choses in that He CHOOSES those who accept Christ Jesus by Faith. 

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

No such thing as a Millennial Earth as you continue to claim, it's a man made fabricated fairy tale

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV

1 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

When someone mentions the millinial kingdom,they are referring to the 1000 period from the time Christ comes and resurrects the saints who died during the tribulation and those saints reign with Christ for 1000 years till Gog ,Persia,Ethiopia , Libia and the other nations surround those saints upon earth.Its all in revelation 20 if you would like to read it.Ezekial chapter 37-39 are good companions to revelation 20 for a more indepth study of that period.

[Revelation Man]

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes and no. Some did, some did not. Some believed, some later did not. It's not so black and white.

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, in reject, all of us caused Jesus' death or else we would not have been made whole, then when we hear the Holy Word we either rejected it until we got saved (99 percent) or accepted it and then some turn away from God and return later. In essence, we all rejected God at times brother. That is the sentiment of the passage, even if the Holy Spirit tells you or I to simply stop and help and old woman, or to go talk to a destitute guy on the street and we do not follow that word from God we are in essence rejecting God by pushing Him away at times. In essence the reason we need a Savior is we as humans rejected our creator. 

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

I think this is not really addressing the point of the OP:

 

Of course it is, her Thread's name implies this "Do we really think those called the Elect in Matt. 24 are only the Jewish peoples?" And in that cases it is speaking only unto the Jews because they will be PROTECTED, thus Jesus warns them to Flee Judea in Matthew 24:15-19. The Gentiles who miss the Rapture will not be protected, HENCE, the 5 Virgins are told, "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth". 

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

How do people come to Christ with no believer in Christ left to teach and preach the Gospel? 

 

As I stated, the Two-witnesses JOB-1 is to get Israel to repent, tat is what Malachi 4:5-6 means, God will send Elijah back BEFORE the DOTL to turn Israel back unto God. Then in Zech. 13:8-9 we see 1/3 repent, then one verse later it states the DOTL arrives, then in vs. 2 it states the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem, then in vs 3 we see Jesus returns to destroy the wicked. That is how fast Prophesy travels forth in time.

Zech. 13:8-9 = Israel repenting at the 1335 or 75 days before the Anti-Christ shows up as the Beast at the 1290 Conquering.

Zech. 14:1 The DOTL arrives one verse after Zech. 13:8-9

Zech. 14:2 The Anti-Christ conquers at the 1260 point.

Zech. 14:3-4 Jesus shows up and defeats the Beast.

Anyway, Malachi 4:5-6 and look at Zechariah 13:8-9 and 14:1-4. It is the Two-witnesses who are the 1335 Blessing. 

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

A widespread attack of conscience? A sudden deluge of morality in the heart of mankind? How?

That's what the OP is really asking. 

Not that I agree with the way it's stated, but there it is.

I know, and I explain it unto her and have before many times. That very question of HOW DO Israel repent is what led me to understand the 1335 Blessing could only be the Two-witnesses, they DIE at the 2nd Woe, whilst the Beast lives on until the 7th Vial, BUT ALAS, both have 1260 day "Offices on earth". Do you see the genius of God now? We only get the 1260 day ordained by God offices so we can juxtapose their TIMELINES against each other. We thus know the Two-witnesses must show up BEFORE the Beast does at the 1260 (which is also the DOTL). He's a huge key most do not get, God/Holy Spirit hold this man back, he can not go forth conquering Israel unto the DOTL (Asteroid) hits. So, when you see the Beasts 42 month reign, remember the DOTL parallels his reign EXACTLY !! As a matter of fact God giving humans the DESIRED LEADER of their hearts can indeed be a portion of His wrath. He has been shielding us in the Western Civilizations from these Beast type kingdoms like Rome/Greece for nigh 2000 years, now they are allowed to go forth once again. 

Anyway, the Two-witnesses turn Israel unto God 75 days before the Beast shows up and 45 days before the False Prophet Jewish High Priest gone rogue stops Jesus Worship (see now why I say the TAKING AWAY of the "Sacrifice" in Dan. 9:27 is just Jesus Worship being forbidden? ) and places the AoD (Image of the E.U. President) in the temple. The 1290 is the False Prophet, read Rev. 13, it tells us who places the Image, its the 2nd Beast.

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

lol

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Don't kid yourself that us not knowing the Day nor the Hour means we have ZERO CLUE. That reference was unto Israel not knowing when the Trumps would blow every month an d especially on the Feast of Trumps because they were on God time or a Lunar moon calendar, thus they knew within a 2 day period, but could not know exactly when the New Moon would come in. Its simply a way of Jesus telling us these things are ordained by God, just like the Lunar Moon cycles, only God knows the exact time, BUT they knew withing a 2 day period of time, thus of course they always knew THE SEASON they were in, likewise we can know THE SEASON, by looking at the signs, these old saying take hold and people lose the real meaning, Jesus told us TE KEY was looking to the skies yet we cant figure out if an Asteroid is going to hit (Apophis will hit, LOOK AT ALL TE SIGNS AROUND YOU !! Is it time? of course it is) that we will of course in  these end times be able to see it. NASA saw this coming in 2004. Its coming within 19 K miles, that is 10 times closer than the Moon, it is going to hit, thus Apophis will hit n April 13, 2029, and that will indeed be the DOTL.  Rev. 8 plays out just like an incoming Asteroid according to a Scientist friend who is not religious, of the guy who wrote about Apophis, after he had a vision, by the way thus man (Tom Horn) had a vision of the Pope retiring like in 2012 or 2013 and when his date passed people told him, Tom, you ruined your cred, no Pope has retired in 600 years, then he retired almost a year later, BUT.... at the Press Conference it was stated the Pope actually resigned a year earlier and stayed on until they git things together properly, the same guy saw Apophis hitting.

His scientist friend told him, fire comes in before the Impact of a giant asteroid, thus Trump #1 is Fire. Then we get THE IMPACT thus Trump #2, then we get the FALLOUT (Wormwood) which pollutes or poisons the fresh waters. Then  we get the Sun & Moon going dark from all the smoke filtering out the sun, by 1/3.

Thus, we Pre Tribbers understand if Apophis its (it will hit) then we have to be Raptured by the fall of 2025. So, is THE SEASON  a Day or an Hour? No, we can know the Season and should, just like Israel knew within 2 days when the new moon and thus the Feast of Trumps would come (think Last Trump).

I see everything clearly,  like its a movie on a film, God has blessed me because I yield to His suggestions. I am not stuck on men's old sayings and traditions. Think  Day nor Hour represents we can't know the exact ay and exact hour only, but in the parable of the Fig Tree we are told we should know THE SEASON.  People overthink and overplay simple phrases. 

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

Always the straw man. Noah was removed out of the path of the coming wrath. Birth of the Messiah? Why distract?

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

FACTS...........Jesus had to be birthed, that is a no brainer tbh. 

FACTS...........Jesus had already been birthed, thus Gid could now punish Israel in full by giving the Mantle unto the Gentiles.

FACTS..........The Gospel has been preached unto all the world thus God can now take us to Heaven where w will wed His beloved Son, just like Israel are married unto God. God Himself is protecting Israel in the Petra/Bozrah area, but since the whole world is being Judged, God simply takes the Bride out, its just common sense, our mission is complete, the Angel now takes over the preaching.

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

Again the distraction.

 

Again, truth always has an answer brother.

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

That is after the real rapture and just before judgement falls. It's not the entire 7 years, or 3.5 years. Not that it matters. There is no pretrib rapture. 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Of course not, the Anti-Christ only shows his TRUE NATURE at the midway point, thus those who repent during the first 3.5 years will still have access to bibles etc. etc. Also, this Beast only rules over the E.U. and will only conquer the Mediterranean Sea Region. 

There of course is a Pte Trib Rapture, this is simple stuff brother, the rest of Prophecy is far more complex than the Pre Trib Rapture of course, by far.

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

If you put on rose colored glasses, look sideways and squint really, really hard. lol

No, its so easy I pretty much have a hard time listening to anything else a person of this persuasion has to say on Prophecy for the most part. With you its a little different because you do understand a lot f other prophesy things in general. But most who can't see the Pre Trib are basically wrong on 99 percent of everything else. Now some like The Light get the Raptures timing right and is wrong on 95 percent of everything else imho. It is what it is.

God Bless, gotta run.

[LiveWire]

6 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

They look completely separate from the 144000 to me.The 144000 of the tribes of Israel are probably from Israel where the great multitute from the nations are most likely from the nations.

No, the 144k are the Evangelist God uses for final days Revival and the Multitude are those Saved from the Gospel Preached from the 144k...that kind of related...