The Nation of Israel - Sign of the Fig Tree

[Your closest friendnt]

14 minutes ago, Biblican said:

I think you misunderstood the post.

There other things also that you have posted without scripture support. 

What am supposed to understand...I have to understand what Leviticus 19:34 is saying and within the context from the book of Leviticus..

And It does not saying that it applies to your comments...

No it does not saying that what you said fit into the context of Leviticus 19:34.

It looks like that you are not in the context of Leviticus 19:34...that possibly you improvise...and other things you posted need to be supported by scripture which you have not done.

[Revelation Man]

1 minute ago, Biblican said:

That's your interpretation. Israel is definitely a sign we are nearing the end because since then we are experiencing the "beginning of sorrows," increased earthquakes, etc. Israel is also called "Sodom and Egypt" (Rev. 11:8) which puts her under God's judgment. She would have to be operating as a secular nation as she is today to warrant that judgment. She is called Sodom because modern Israel permits a yearly gay pride parade and currently Tel Aviv is the gay capital of the Middle East. 

Of course Israel is a sign, but not because of the Parable of the Fig Tree, they are a SIGN because of Ezekiel 37s Valley of Dry Bones Prophecy, because of the 3rd Temple Jesus spoke about, an d many other passages, just not because of the Parable of the Fig Tree however, that SIGN is juxtaposing the Fig Trees budding or/and blooming with it being close unto Summer, and he then says (very important KEY here) LIKEWISE, which means he is COMPARING the Fig Tree's blooming being near summer with the ALL OF THE SIGNS and thus mainly with the LAST SIGN, because you can not see all of the signs without seeing the last sign, right ?

So, Jesus gave us 10-12 signs in Matt. 24:4-31 with the LAST SIGN being the Sun & Moon going Dark so ONLY THAT Generation will see Jesus coming in the clouds or the 2nd Coming. Israel are not called Sodom and Gomorrah in Rev. 11:8 per se, its just God giving us the location without giving us the "Location" and why is that important? For the same reason He gives us the "Woman" in Rev. 12 and the "144,000" in Rev. 7, which both just mean ALL Israel who repents. Rome had just sacked Israel, any mention of Israel ruling the whole world under Christ Jesus would have been seen as sedition unto Rome, they would not have allowed it, they would have destroyed the letters/Scriptures/book of Revelation and probably killed some of the Church members. So, instead of sayin g Jerusalem, he says THAT CITY which is as Sodom & Egypt. Its done on purpose, just like Babylon is used for the WHOLE WORLD getting judged in Rev. 18 and other places. 

By the time the Two-witnesses come (the 1335) Israel REPENTS, so it does not add up that God is still talking about Israel in said manner. Malachi 4:5 shows Elijah is sent back and Israel repents. Zech. 13:8-9 shows Israel RPENTS (1/3 do so) then in the very next verse, Zech. 14:1 the DOTL arrives, so Israel REPENTS before the DOTL even comes brother. 

So, God is speaking about Israel AFTER they repent, so why would he call her Sodom? Answer, he doesn't, God is just giving us an ENCODED CLUE that all this happens in Jerusalem. We can't over analyze these things. Sodom & Egypt is simply a way to say Jerusalem without saying it. 

 

God Bless

[Alive]

25 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

because of the 3rd Temple Jesus spoke about,

Can you show me scripture?

[Revelation Man]

14 minutes ago, Alive said:

Can you show me scripture?

Sure my friend.

 

Matt. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

So, the above is indeed the 70th week End Times, and it speaks of a "Holy Place" (Temple) where this Image ought not stand. This is the same message we get in  Dan. 11:36-45 and in Daniel 12:1-7 where Jesus preincarnate (Man in Linen) says the same thing. In Dan. 11:45 we see a man (Anti-Christ) will have a dwelling place in Jerusalem (not the temple) between the [Dead] Sea and Mediterranean Sea on the Holy Mountain of God.

Dan. 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace(The Beasts dwelling place/House/Palace) between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Verse 45 merely shows us the Anti-Christ will be defeated, but in Dan. 12 we get some needed context that backs up Matt 24:15-21, the verse Jesus is citing, which is really his own message as he was the pre incarnate Man in Linen. But, the reason I add this is to show why a 3rd Temple must needs be, or else Jesus misspoke, which he of course can not do.

Dan. 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:( See how this fits via Matt. 24? ) and at that time thy people shall be delivered(they flee unto Judea), every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life(So, it is the 70th week End Times), and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased(NOW).

5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? {{{ Jesus now gives him the NUMBER of days the Anti-Christs Conquering of Israel will last for }}}

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen(Jesus thus in Matt. 24 Jesus is quoting himself), which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half(1260 days); and when he(Anti-Christ) shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

So, Dan. 12 proves Matt. 24:15-21 is END TIMES, thus the AoD is not the 70 AD events nor can it be. Thus this "HOLY PLACE" as mentioned in Matt. 24:15 can only be an End Times Temple or a 3rd Temple yet to be built. Its called a "Holy Place" and as we see in Dan. 9:27 the AoD happens when the Sacrifice is taken away (Jesus Worship by Jews who have repented) and an IMAGE is placed in this holy place (3rd Temple). In Rev. 13 we are told the False Prophet does this or the 2nd Beast.

Lastly we see the Two-witnesses in Rev. 11:1-3 and John is told to take a measure of the Temple and those who worship therein.

I do not like to post a lot of scriptures, but if its asked for I can with no problem. God Bless.

[farouk]

1 minute ago, Revelation Man said:

Sure my friend.

 

Matt. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

So, the above is indeed the 70th week End Times, and it speaks of a "Holy Place" (Temple) where this Image ought not stand. This is the same message we get in  Dan. 11:36-45 and in Daniel 12:1-7 where Jesus preincarnate (Man in Linen) says the same thing. In Dan. 11:45 we see a man (Anti-Christ) will have a dwelling place in Jerusalem (not the temple) between the [Dead] Sea and Mediterranean Sea on the Holy Mountain of God.

Dan. 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace(The Beasts dwelling place/House/Palace) between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Verse 45 merely shows us the Anti-Christ will be defeated, but in Dan. 12 we get some needed context that backs up Matt 24:15-21, the verse Jesus is citing, which is really his own message as he was the pre incarnate Man in Linen. But, the reason I add this is to show why a 3rd Temple must needs be, or else Jesus misspoke, which he of course can not do.

Dan. 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:( See how this fits via Matt. 24? ) and at that time thy people shall be delivered(they flee unto Judea), every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life(So, it is the 70th week End Times), and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased(NOW).

5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? {{{ Jesus now gives him the NUMBER of days the Anti-Christs Conquering of Israel will last for }}}

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen(Jesus thus in Matt. 24 Jesus is quoting himself), which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half(1260 days); and when he(Anti-Christ) shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

So, Dan. 12 proves Matt. 24:15-21 is END TIMES, thus the AoD is not the 70 AD events nor can it be. Thus this "HOLY PLACE" as mentioned in Matt. 24:15 can only be an End Times Temple or a 3rd Temple yet to be built. Its called a "Holy Place" and as we see in Dan. 9:27 the AoD happens when the Sacrifice is taken away (Jesus Worship by Jews who have repented) and an IMAGE is placed in this holy place (3rd Temple). In Rev. 13 we are told the False Prophet does this or the 2nd Beast.

Lastly we see the Two-witnesses in Rev. 11:1-3 and John is told to take a measure of the Temple and those who worship therein.

I do not like to post a lot of scriptures, but if its asked for I can with no problem. God Bless.

Solemn verses; the Matthew 24 passage seems to be about Israel, not the church.

cc @Biblican

[Alive]

7 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Sure my friend.

 

Matt. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

So, the above is indeed the 70th week End Times, and it speaks of a "Holy Place" (Temple) where this Image ought not stand. This is the same message we get in  Dan. 11:36-45 and in Daniel 12:1-7 where Jesus preincarnate (Man in Linen) says the same thing. In Dan. 11:45 we see a man (Anti-Christ) will have a dwelling place in Jerusalem (not the temple) between the [Dead] Sea and Mediterranean Sea on the Holy Mountain of God.

Dan. 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace(The Beasts dwelling place/House/Palace) between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Verse 45 merely shows us the Anti-Christ will be defeated, but in Dan. 12 we get some needed context that backs up Matt 24:15-21, the verse Jesus is citing, which is really his own message as he was the pre incarnate Man in Linen. But, the reason I add this is to show why a 3rd Temple must needs be, or else Jesus misspoke, which he of course can not do.

Dan. 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:( See how this fits via Matt. 24? ) and at that time thy people shall be delivered(they flee unto Judea), every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life(So, it is the 70th week End Times), and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased(NOW).

5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? {{{ Jesus now gives him the NUMBER of days the Anti-Christs Conquering of Israel will last for }}}

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen(Jesus thus in Matt. 24 Jesus is quoting himself), which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half(1260 days); and when he(Anti-Christ) shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

So, Dan. 12 proves Matt. 24:15-21 is END TIMES, thus the AoD is not the 70 AD events nor can it be. Thus this "HOLY PLACE" as mentioned in Matt. 24:15 can only be an End Times Temple or a 3rd Temple yet to be built. Its called a "Holy Place" and as we see in Dan. 9:27 the AoD happens when the Sacrifice is taken away (Jesus Worship by Jews who have repented) and an IMAGE is placed in this holy place (3rd Temple). In Rev. 13 we are told the False Prophet does this or the 2nd Beast.

Lastly we see the Two-witnesses in Rev. 11:1-3 and John is told to take a measure of the Temple and those who worship therein.

I do not like to post a lot of scriptures, but if its asked for I can with no problem. God Bless.

I appreciate your response and the effort it took, but I can't see those scriptures pointing to a third physical temple being built, but really my question was specifically regarding your statement that Jesus spoke about a third...I do find it interesting to watch the goings on surrounding those in Israel who wish to see one built, but I can in no way see a way that it would be a holy place in the way folks do. God now dwells in our hearts and indeed has taken up His abode in His sons.

I suppose that I may be mistaken entirely or in part.

[Biblican]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Of course Israel is a sign, but not because of the Parable of the Fig Tree, they are a SIGN because of Ezekiel 37s Valley of Dry Bones Prophecy, because of the 3rd Temple Jesus spoke about, an d many other passages, just not because of the Parable of the Fig Tree however, that SIGN is juxtaposing the Fig Trees budding or/and blooming with it being close unto Summer, and he then says (very important KEY here) LIKEWISE, which means he is COMPARING the Fig Tree's blooming being near summer with the ALL OF THE SIGNS and thus mainly with the LAST SIGN, because you can not see all of the signs without seeing the last sign, right ?

So, Jesus gave us 10-12 signs in Matt. 24:4-31 with the LAST SIGN being the Sun & Moon going Dark so ONLY THAT Generation will see Jesus coming in the clouds or the 2nd Coming. Israel are not called Sodom and Gomorrah in Rev. 11:8 per se, its just God giving us the location without giving us the "Location" and why is that important? For the same reason He gives us the "Woman" in Rev. 12 and the "144,000" in Rev. 7, which both just mean ALL Israel who repents. Rome had just sacked Israel, any mention of Israel ruling the whole world under Christ Jesus would have been seen as sedition unto Rome, they would not have allowed it, they would have destroyed the letters/Scriptures/book of Revelation and probably killed some of the Church members. So, instead of sayin g Jerusalem, he says THAT CITY which is as Sodom & Egypt. Its done on purpose, just like Babylon is used for the WHOLE WORLD getting judged in Rev. 18 and other places. 

By the time the Two-witnesses come (the 1335) Israel REPENTS, so it does not add up that God is still talking about Israel in said manner. Malachi 4:5 shows Elijah is sent back and Israel repents. Zech. 13:8-9 shows Israel RPENTS (1/3 do so) then in the very next verse, Zech. 14:1 the DOTL arrives, so Israel REPENTS before the DOTL even comes brother. 

So, God is speaking about Israel AFTER they repent, so why would he call her Sodom? Answer, he doesn't, God is just giving us an ENCODED CLUE that all this happens in Jerusalem. We can't over analyze these things. Sodom & Egypt is simply a way to say Jerusalem without saying it. 

 

God Bless

You are very good at twisting scripture to fit your own interpretations. The early church recognized that Israel is the fig tree according some of the early Christian writings.  Israel is called Sodom because there is a gay pride parade in the streets of Jerusalem every year. Tel Aviv is the gay capital of the Middle East. You can only mock God so long before He sends judgment. Israel goes into a second captivity (Zechariah 14)because of her sins which also includes the atrocities she committed against the Palestinians. She will come to repentance after and during that period.

There is no indication that Israel repents when the two witnesses come (They are already here) because they are overcome and silenced by the beast and if you do some research you will find that the Jewish banking family that instigated the nation of Israel are the same people who are behind the formation of the beast.

There are signs that are fulfilled before the tribulation and signs afterward. The signs before are the beginning of sorrows which we are seeing developing now and correspond to Revelation's chapter eight.  Israel has to be the sign that we are beginning to enter the time period before the tribulation, because unless Israel is a nation there is no tribulation because it starts with Israel. The generation, the budding, signifies includes the entire time from Israel's inception to Jesus' second coming.

[Biblican]

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

There other things also that you have posted without scripture support. 

What am supposed to understand...I have to understand what Leviticus 19:34 is saying and within the context from the book of Leviticus..

And It does not saying that it applies to your comments...

No it does not saying that what you said fit into the context of Leviticus 19:34.

It looks like that you are not in the context of Leviticus 19:34...that possibly you improvise...and other things you posted need to be supported by scripture which you have not done.

Unless you can be more specific I still have to assume you didn't understand the post.

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

I appreciate your response and the effort it took, but I can't see those scriptures pointing to a third physical temple being built, but really my question was specifically regarding your statement that Jesus spoke about a third...I do find it interesting to watch the goings on surrounding those in Israel who wish to see one built, but I can in no way see a way that it would be a holy place in the way folks do. God now dwells in our hearts and indeed has taken up His abode in His sons.

I suppose that I may be mistaken entirely or in part.

Jesus/Holy Spirit does dwell in us, but the Temple on earth is an exact replica of one in Heaven, so during the 1000 year reign there will be a temple, just like we have Churches today, even though we have the Holy Spirit in our hearts. So, I guess you are kind of asking why would there need to be a Holy Place (Great point), it is a holy place because Israel repents and thus God the Father Dwells there again, not the Holy Spirit, but God Himself Dwells in the Temple of God. The Holy Spirit can indeed live in us, we could walk with Jesus, but when the 70 looked into the Covenant of the Ark they all died. God the Father has the Abundance of the Glory, no man can look upon the Father and live. Jesus and the Hoy Spirit are just like God in Spirit, in other words they are Holy, Truthful, Kind, Peaceful, Loving, Longsuffering, Joyous, etc. etc. etc. But God the Father has the abundance of the Glory, no man can look upon him. 

The Temple was rent (God left and forsook Israel) but Israel repents at the 1335 via the Two-witnesses, we can see this in Zechariah 13:8-9 where 1/3 repent, then in  the very next verse Zech. 14:1 we see the DOTL arrives, so Israel repents just before the DOTL (God's Wrath) falls on mankind. This means that between the 1335 (which is 1335 days before the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS) and the 1290 (which is 1290 days until the 2nd Coming) Israel start serving God again and this cleanses the Temple that Jesus is speaking about. Else how could the AoD defile it? So, I catch your drift, because my mind works in the same way, how can we have an AoD defilement if they are still Sacrificing Profane Meat sacrifices I thought to myself in like manner. This is why I get to the bottom of all these things, I do not just accept things as factual. The Sacrifice that is TAKEN AWAY in Dan. 9:27 & Dan. 12:11-13 can not be a meat sacrifice, that would be a defilement in and of itself right? No, that Sacrifice that is TAKEN AWAY is Jesus Worship by the Jews who repented at the 1335, via the Two-witnesses beckoning, they repent, then when they see the AoD standing in the Holy Place (I will show what that means later) they know to flee Judea. If I placed an IMAGE of a Man in 10,000 varied places in Israel it could defile nothing per se, I mean, no one would probably even notice it or even understand it most likely, but when the False Prophet places the IMAGE of the E.U. President up in the Temple, that is a HUGE SIGN and all of the Jewish people who have repented, and now understand Matt. 24:15-21, can see it. It can't just be an image placed anywhere, it has to be an image placed in a Sacred Place, the AoD has to be placed in the temple where the Jews (3.5-5 million) who repented at the 1335, have been worshiping Jesus, thus the Temple is now purified again, only now it can be defiled again. So, your seeming hunch that this can't happen (at least that is how I saw you posture here) because the Temple is not holy, and we are the temple of God now, is in effect correct the Holy Spirit lives in us, but the Temple is God the Fathers Dwelling place, none of us have ever had God the Father living in us, trust me, that person would be dead on the spot. God is reunifying with man, He walked with us in Eden before we sinned, then he built a place to reside in, now the Father has no dwelling place on earth, but it is coming very soon. 

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 24:15 When 3752 yee therefore 3767 shall see 1492 z5632 the x3588 abomination 946 of desolation, 2050 spoken x4483 of y4483 z5685 by 1223 Daniel 1158 the x3588 Prophet, 4396 stand 2476 z5756 z5625 z5761 in 1722 the holy 40 place, 5117 (who so readeth, 314 z5723 let him vnderstand.) 3539 z5720

#0040 ἅγιος hagios {hag'-ee-os} from hagos (an awful thing) [cf G0053, G2282]; TDNT - 1:88,14; adj

—Greek Word Study 

40 =  sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated): Strong's Concordance.

#5117 τόπος topos {top'-os} apparently a primary word; TDNT - 8:187,1184; n m

—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

517 = a place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding space

So, while this kind of shows a more in depth reasoning, its just a natural instinct of mine, via parallel scriptures, via holy spirit beckoning in my heart, I can piece stuff like this together, but I only do it by doubting what I hear in general from the masses. I do nit take anything for granted, Men's Traditions is why the Pharisees could not see Jesus as the Messiah.

So, in essence, during the 1000 year reign, God wants to be able to reside in Israel, Israel his the Fathers Bride, we the Church are Jesus' bride. 

God Bless

[bloom]

1 hour ago, Biblican said:

You are very good at twisting scripture to fit your own interpretations. The early church recognized that Israel is the fig tree according some of the early Christian writings.  Israel is called Sodom because there is a gay pride parade in the streets of Jerusalem every year. Tel Aviv is the gay capital of the Middle East. You can only mock God so long before He sends judgment. Israel goes into a second captivity (Zechariah 14)because of her sins which also includes the atrocities she committed against the Palestinians. She will come to repentance after and during that period.

There is no indication that Israel repents when the two witnesses come (They are already here) because they are overcome and silenced by the beast and if you do some research you will find that the Jewish banking family that instigated the nation of Israel are the same people who are behind the formation of the beast.

There are signs that are fulfilled before the tribulation and signs afterward. The signs before are the beginning of sorrows which we are seeing developing now and correspond to Revelation's chapter eight.  Israel has to be the sign that we are beginning to enter the time period before the tribulation, because unless Israel is a nation there is no tribulation because it starts with Israel. The generation, the budding, signifies includes the entire time from Israel's inception to Jesus' second coming.

Would you please explain were the two witnesses are?