Water Baptism in Jesus Name : Is this how it possibly came to be?

[NConly]

2 minutes ago, farouk said:

@NConly John's was the baptism of repentance (Acts 19.4), to prepare the way for the coming of the Lord Jesus.

Well I have the impression that All who were baptized were being Baptized in the name of Jesus. Turning away from The Law. Jesus was in the synagogues trying to change the Jews from the law and John was doing the same once that failed Gentiles were brought into it.

[farouk]

1 minute ago, NConly said:

Well I have the impression that All who were baptized were being Baptized in the name of Jesus. Turning away from The Law. Jesus was in the synagogues trying to change the Jews from the law and John was doing the same once that failed Gentiles were brought into it.

@NConly

I find Acts 19.1-5 interesting, anyway:

"And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

² He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

³ And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

⁴ Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

⁵ When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."

[LiveWire]

I received a PM, seeking to understand, if my intentions, were to place doubt upon how one was Water Baptized?

 

 

First and Foremost, 

I don't believe, Water Baptism, is an actual and literal requirement in order to make it to Heaven.

But after sitting back and re-examining the Proofs I have provided, I do really think, there was only One Name being used, Jesus, in Water Baptism.   And that probably matches closer to Scripture than anything else.

[BibleStudent100]

On 5/24/2023 at 5:58 PM, R. Hartono said:

John 4:1-2 explains it was not actually Jesus who baptized people but His disciples, Jesus was  supervising. 

Yes, there is no evidence that Jesus himself baptized anyone.  Perhaps Jesus was concerned that if he baptized anyone that that act could incite excessive pride in those who were baptized by Jesus versus those who were not baptized by Jesus.  I would be interested if there are other views on this matter by you good folks.

By extension, under what circumstances today would one's baptism from earlier years have to be repeated (See Acts 19:5)?

 

[Dennis1209]

I am adding to what Jayne said above. To be baptized by immersion is the immediate second act after accepting Jesus as your personal Savior. I think we all know being baptized never saved anyone.

Complete water immersion has been debated on the forum vs. a little dab will do ya (sprinkling). I think the examples in the Bible are clear, plenty of water, rivers, lakes, and complete immersion. Some denominations believe otherwise and also practice infant baptism, and that baptism saves.

At Jesus’s death, He first descended below the surface, then arose by resurrection. I think Jesus’s baptism was a pattern for us to follow. All three Persons were involved in Jesus’s baptism, the Father (who is well pleased), the Holy Spirit (Dove that descended on Jesus), and the Son.  

In the age of Grace (the church age), being baptized is a public declaration and admission you are a Christ follower and not ashamed of it. Some are “closet Christians” who are saved and may not publicly profess Jesus as their Savior for fear of being ostracized or rejected.

I cannot think of why a person would need to be baptized more than once in the church age. To become a member of a Baptist church (as I am), proof of baptism or admission is required to become a member. In my case, I had a vague memory of being baptized when I was maybe ten or eleven, but I was not 100% sure. So, it was recommended I be baptized, probably a second time, and I was.

Another thing that I find interesting I learned some years ago. I thought a priest, pastor, or clergy had to perform the baptism. I now believe your dad, a friend, a member of your congregation, or any born-again believer may baptize you.

As always, these are my personal thoughts.

[Starise]

The Jews practiced water purification rites and probably called it baptism before John the Baptist. The two were nothing alike so far as I know.

The modern ideas of baptism have become convoluted to many of the uninitiated. The Baptist church is one that still performs under the water baptisms often using tanks designed for the purpose up in front of the church, this is carrying out the mandate in a public display setting. This is not ineffective as a way to be public about your profession, but these are all of your friends probably. IMO even more public would be baptism in a creek, lake or simiar. Neither is any less effective than the other.One is probably more public.

If we could just read the bible and stop adding and taking away from it as Christians things would not have gotten so confusing for so many. We have clergy baptising infants " in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost".  No biblical foundation whatsoever.

On the other end of it, we have some teaching that if you aren't baptized you aren't saved. While I think immersion water baptism is important, it doesn't save or complete the salvation process. It IS a step of obedience and it kicks off a new believer's life in the right direction early on.

[LiveWire]

3 hours ago, BibleStudent100 said:

By extension, under what circumstances today would one's baptism from earlier years have to be repeated (See Acts 19:5)?

What do you mean by repeated?

Is this about in case you were not Baptized in Jesus Name?

[Jayne]

3 hours ago, BibleStudent100 said:

By extension, under what circumstances today would one's baptism from earlier years have to be repeated (See Acts 19:5)?

Paul repeated a baptism because their first baptism was not a believer's baptism.  When being baptized by John for repentance, most had never HEARD of Jesus nor was he acknowledged by the masses as The Christ.  Undergoing an immersion to declare one's repentance did not save nor was practiced after Jesus died and was resurrected.

Paul taught that once one was saved or born again as some call it - THEN was the necessary act of baptism.  Believer's baptism.

Baptism does not save.  But it is done to show the believer as being buried and resurrected in Christ - now a new creature.

The ONLY way one should be baptized again is if one is certain and clear that they were not truly saved the first time.

For example, I had a friend who was baptized as a child.  She understood as an adult that she only was copying her friends and was not truly saved at all.  She was counseled by the pastor who helped her understand what salvation truly is.

God drew her to him and she happily submitted to that.  It was her desire to be baptized again a true believer's baptism.

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Jayne

[Jayne]

9 hours ago, NConly said:

Well I have the impression that All who were baptized were being Baptized in the name of Jesus. Turning away from The Law. Jesus was in the synagogues trying to change the Jews from the law and John was doing the same once that failed Gentiles were brought into it.

Well, I can only tell you what the Bible says.

[1] John baptized people for the sake of repentance, not a turning from the Law.

[2] The Law was still valid until Jesus was resurrected from the dead.  In fact, Jesus followed the Law and encourage Israel to do so.

[other one]

1 hour ago, Jayne said:

Well, I can only tell you what the Bible says.

[1] John baptized people for the sake of repentance, not a turning from the Law.

[2] The Law was still valid until Jesus was resurrected from the dead.  In fact, Jesus followed the Law and encourage Israel to do so.

I hope not for Jesus confessed to working on the Sabbath which is breaking the 4th commandment.