Adam & Eve - Christ & The Church

[AdHoc]

15 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@AdHoc 

Hello valuable esteemed brother and committed member of the church of Jesus Christ. 

Our brother Vine Abider has title this thread as

"Adam and Eve-Christ and the Church".

While Adam and Eve our progenitors lived and died long time before Jesus Christ...and the same it can be said for Abraham and his descendants because even though Abraham was from Shem the son of Adam, even thought Shem was not the first born of Adam he was the first one to have children. 

Abraham was separated from Adam and the rest of the world while he lived and also after his died...and the same can be said for his chosen children. 

For that matter we should not include Abraham in "Adam and Eve" as in the title of this tread.

But the question is a lot more than that as the title of the tread attempts to show that Adam and Eve and even Abraham that are not part of the church of Jesus Christ when they are...

That what the prophetic in the Phalms is about and that is what "the Priest in the order of Melhisedec" attempts to establish.

That the "Prophetic Melchizedek" will go to where Abraham was, as in the narative in Genesis and bring to him the bread and the vine..

This illustration attempts to establish that Abraham and all who were with him and by extension Adam and Eve will partake of the bread and the vine of Jesus Christ and for that matter be part of the church of Jesus Christ. 

If the church of Jesus Christ consist of anyone who have partake of Jesus bread and wine...then they also are in him...in his church...

Those who belong in the church of Jesus Christ while they lived they  continuous to be part of the church of Jesus Christ after their death...after they have left their earthly body...or without their earthly body.

We can make the distinction of the church of Jesus Christ of the people who are still alive...and their ministry is to other member of the church of Jesus Christ who still live...

But their ministry also extents to others who are not members of the body of Christ and still alive to them they have to bring the bread and before they die...

Because the  bread and wine it is available to them in their life time..

But to others who had died before the  bread and wine was available for distribution the invitation to be partakers of the bread and wine of Jesus Christ had to be given to them to where they could be found...to Abraham where he was and to Adam and Eve to where they were...

JESUS had to go to them and bring to them the bread and the vine...if he is the Melchizedek in the prophetic. 

For this reason the church of Jesus Christ includes Adam and Eve and Abraham and everyone else who accepted the bread and vine offered to them from Jesus Christ who himself had to die to be able to go to where they were...

Jesus Christ had to die before beginning to offer the bread and wine to the people who had die before him and that would include Abraham who was glad to see this day and everyone with him and Adam and Eve to whom the promised was made that the day will come when the seed of the woman will bring the change when he will take the Keys from Death and Hades and those who will take of the bread and the vine will be set free...be in him...part of his church...even though without the body...like us who are part of his church now while we are alive and we will still be part of his church without the body..when we die.

We are in his church while in the body and also in his church when we do not have the body...when our body dies..

I understand that we have the communion of the members of the church when we are alive with those who are alive...but after we die we are still in the Church of Jesus and we have communion with the other members of the church who have also die and are not in their earthly body...we are not stopped being in the church of Jesus Christ...we are still in him.

Thank you for your reply. I tend to agree with you that the believers are not disadvantaged by death. But according to Paul, death stops ministry, so it is better for the Church to be alive. Our Lord Jesus also regards death as an enemy to be overcome because it removes members from His Body - physically. Our Bodies are His MEMBERS, so when our body is removed and dissolved in death, Christ loses a member. Resurrection is the solution. Ekklesia means "gathering of the called-out ones". Death stops the "gathering" so if all Christians died but were never resurrected, the Church would disappear.

I also tend to agree with you that Adam and Eve, even though they sinned, and caused the whole plight of mankind, will be among the saved. And though Shem is the line of Jesus, is it not wonderful that the sons of Ham, who caused a curse on Canaan, can equally avail themselves of Christ's salvation.

But I think the essence of this thread is Christ's Bride. She is the object of His determined love, the object of His attention and the object of His JOY. Surely the members of this Forum can think up something to contribute to this magnificent theme. We all are at a different stage of our relationship with the Beloved, but we must all be totally in love with Him. And mostly, lovers talk about each other most of the day. Just look at the language of Song of Solomon. Can we not conjure up some such talk?

[Alive]

Perhaps searching for any distinctions while looking at 'many sons', the 'Body of Christ' and His Bride will be beneficial?

My understanding is always anchored in the reality of us being "In Christ, of the Father". And by both extension and His 'Eternal Purpose'-- a Family God desired.

[Vine Abider]

17 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

But I think the essence of this thread is Christ's Bride. She is the object of His determined love, the object of His attention and the object of His JOY. Surely the members of this Forum can think up something to contribute to this magnificent theme. We all are at a different stage of our relationship with the Beloved, but we must all be totally in love with Him. And mostly, lovers talk about each other most of the day. Just look at the language of Song of Solomon. Can we not conjure up some such talk?

Hear Hear!

When the Lord rescued me in a major way the 2nd time in 1998, from that point He began to show me how key the matter of love was to everything He does.  Love is also the key that began to open His word to me like never before - it is His primary motivation and one of three primary themes I see in scripture (the other two being image & dominion).

At one point, about 10 years ago, the Lord showed me that He is speaking to us in terms we can understand, and the three (there's that number again) things on His heart are His body, His bride and His building. We can identify with all these because there is NOTHING we as humans treasure more than our body, our spouse and our house.  If you touch any of these, it has our full attention. It's the same for the Lord - and His people make up all three of these!

[AdHoc]

6 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Hear Hear!

When the Lord rescued me in a major way the 2nd time in 1998, from that point He began to show me how key the matter of love was to everything He does.  Love is also the key that began to open His word to me like never before - it is His primary motivation and one of three primary themes I see in scripture (the other two being image & dominion).

At one point, about 10 years ago, the Lord showed me that He is speaking to us in terms we can understand, and the three (there's that number again) things on His heart are His body, His bride and His building. We can identify with all these because there is NOTHING we as humans treasure more than our body, our spouse and our house.  If you touch any of these, it has our full attention. It's the same for the Lord - and His people make up all three of these!

Every morning, and sometimes during the day, I admit to the Lord that I love Him, but that I need a more virile love for Him. His standard is set. "Love as I have loved you." This is a tall order. It can only be accomplished by being saturated with His LIFE. And there we have a way. "Eat me ... the flesh profits nothing ... my Words are Spirit and LIFE" (Jn.6). Just by discussing on this Forum, we deal with His Words ... if we represent them accurately. Just think. A heated dispute about God's Words is nourishment ... IF we report them accurately. If not, they are but our words ... void of life.

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, Alive said:

Perhaps searching for any distinctions while looking at 'many sons', the 'Body of Christ' and His Bride will be beneficial?

My understanding is always anchored in the reality of us being "In Christ, of the Father". And by both extension and His 'Eternal Purpose'-- a Family God desired.

Are not the body of Christ and the bride of Christ two different things?

[AdHoc]

3 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Are not the body of Christ and the bride of Christ two different things?

Good question. I will wait for our brother to answer.

[Alive]

14 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Are not the body of Christ and the bride of Christ two different things?

The Truth is, I do not know for sure and that is my point. There seem to be distinctions for either function or illustration. Beyond that, is speculation.

The typology of a man and a maid is important and shows a bit of God's plan to 'reproduce' after kind. I am convinced this is God's 'Eternal Purpose' as Paul mentioned brought about by Christ--the Word became Flesh and then at Resurrection no longer flesh and blood, but flesh and bone...realized when we are changed.

Much of this is beyond us...but oh so wonderful to wonder and praise Him.

[Your closest friendnt]

Just now, AdHoc said:

Good question. I will wait for our brother to answer.

And then "the church". And then we need to look for passages in the scriptures that say something that open a window into their "definition"..

And then is the prophetic and the volume of the books in the Old Testament..

 Careful steps...

Thank you for participating in the discussion which needs some independent thinking...that's what Paul has teach us...

About what Jesus said: my words are spirit" they cannot be erase.

 

[JohnR7]

On 6/12/2023 at 9:39 AM, JimmyB said:

to claim God's promises

We are told to lean not on our own understanding. Proverbs 3:5

[Your closest friendnt]

16 minutes ago, Alive said:

The Truth is, I do not know for sure and that is my point. There seem to be distinctions for either function or illustration. Beyond that, is speculation.

The typology of a man and a maid is important and shows a bit of God's plan to 'reproduce' after kind. I am convinced this is God's 'Eternal Purpose' as Paul mentioned brought about by Christ--the Word became Flesh and then at Resurrection no longer flesh and blood, but flesh and bone...realized when we are changed.

Muc of this is beyond us...but oh so wonderful to wonder and praise Him.

You said a lot of things in your first paragraph that we should consider and try to connect to them...

But there is something in your second paragraph in the second part. 

"'Eternal Purpose' as Paul mentioned brought about by Christ--the Word became Flesh and then at Resurrection no longer flesh and blood, but flesh and bone...realized when we are changed.

Why I have never seen that..

I understand how Jesus was after the resurrection and that is not the same as he was before...

But why the words "realized when we are changed."

I am trying to read between the lines but I have to asked you, what are you trying to say with those words...what were you thinking when you put down those words...

Because if it is what I thought it is I have never thought that it is ever possible...speaking ahead and before you have been given the chance to elaborate to your own words. Please take it with a light heart.