Adam & Eve - Christ & The Church

[Vine Abider]

23 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Yes God`s word says that we, the Body of Christ will be KINGPRIESTS.

So, (respectfully) if we are supposed to be the wife, the bride of Christ, then we would be QUEEN PRIESTS.

In the sense of eternity, are there male & female?

[Anne2]

30 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Yes God`s word says that we, the Body of Christ will be KINGPRIESTS.

So, (respectfully) if we are supposed to be the wife, the bride of Christ, then we would be QUEEN PRIESTS.

Thank you for your response.

Queen priests? HMM I don't know, But there is this......

If we liken this to Eve, the mother of all the living

If we liken this to Sarah, Galatians says she is our mother, the Jerusalem above.

Sarai <08297>.

1) Sarai= "princess" original name of Sarah the wife of Abram or Abraham 08297 שׂרי Saray saw-rah’-ee AV-Sarai 17; 17

Gen 17 Just like Abraham her name changes to reflect their status in this covenant.

Royal seed covenant Gen 17  A Mother of KINGS see below. Abraham, Kings from his loins.....

Sarai <08297>  raised Nobility ( Is this the only time a woman's name has been changed?)

08283 שׂרה Sarah saw-raw’

Sarah= "noblewoman"

1) wife of Abraham and mother of Isaac 

Ge 17:6  And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Ge 17:16  And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
 

Something to consider perhaps Sarai, was princess. A princess is the daughter of a king yes? Abraham was her brother (same father, different mothers)

Their father a king?

 

Edited June 15, 2023 by Anne2

[farouk]

33 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Thank you for your response.

Queen priests? HMM I don't know, But there is this......

If we liken this to Eve, the mother of all the living

If we liken this to Sarah, Galatians says she is our mother, the Jerusalem above.

Sarai <08297>.

1) Sarai= "princess" original name of Sarah the wife of Abram or Abraham 08297 שׂרי Saray saw-rah’-ee AV-Sarai 17; 17

Gen 17 Just like Abraham her name changes to reflect their status in this covenant.

Royal seed covenant Gen 17  A Mother of KINGS see below. Abraham, Kings from his loins.....

Sarai <08297>  raised Nobility ( Is this the only time a woman's name has been changed?)

08283 שׂרה Sarah saw-raw’

Sarah= "noblewoman"

1) wife of Abraham and mother of Isaac 

Ge 17:6  And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Ge 17:16  And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
 

Something to consider perhaps Sarai, was princess. A princess is the daughter of a king yes? Abraham was her brother (same father, different mothers)

Their father a king?

 

@Anne2 Interesting to see some Old Testament thematic aspects in the NT Epistles.............

[farouk]

7 hours ago, debrakay said:

God does fix broken things.  I was broken and then I was restored when I chose Jesus as my savior, redeemer, healer, my King and my Lord.  I am a new creation and have been fixed (renewed).

2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

John 3:5 - 'Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit."

James 1:18 - He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

Galatians 6:15 - Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

Colossians 1:15 - The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Genesis 1:27 - So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

 

 

 

@debrakay Some great verses there........

[Marilyn C]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

In the sense of eternity, are there male & female?

And that, I believe is such an important question, which I am getting to on my thread - New Man - Perfect Man.

[Marilyn C]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

Thank you for your response.

Queen priests? HMM I don't know, But there is this......

If we liken this to Eve, the mother of all the living

If we liken this to Sarah, Galatians says she is our mother, the Jerusalem above.

 

 

Good point there - Jerusalem above.

Now Jerusalem on earth has two parts - Mount Zion where King David ruled and then the city part.

The heavenly Jerusalem also had two parts - Mount Zion where the Lord rules, (Ps. 2: 6) and the city part.

Now, Mount Zion is in the highest heaven and that is where the Body of Christ will rule from, (Rev. 3: 21,  Heb. 12: 22)

The city part of Jerusalem comes down out of heaven to the lower heavens where it will rule. (Rev. 21: 2)

 

[NConly]

3 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Yes God`s word says that we, the Body of Christ will be KINGPRIESTS.

So, (respectfully) if we are supposed to be the wife, the bride of Christ, then we would be QUEEN PRIESTS.

I can not find Kingpriest in the Bible. I do find kingdom of priest and royal priest which both are more inline with no male or female.? 

[Retrobyter]

6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Genesis 4:6 NIV 

6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

Shalom, Your closest friendnt.

Have you ever stopped to consider what makes "sin" sin? Most do NOT do it to be obnoxious or purposely evil. Most are just ... well ... self-centered and egotistic! And, the worst ones are downright narcissistic!

It's this self-centeredness that we've inherited from our parents. Think about it: How does a baby lie to his or her mother? He or she will cry like he or she is being killed! Then, as soon as mommy picks up the baby, the crying stops! All he or she wanted was attention!

What was the first thing out of Adam's mouth when he was "caught" by God?

Genesis 3:12 (KJV)

12 And the man said,

"The woman whom THOU gavest to be with me, SHE gave me of the tree, and I did eat."

His first, gut reaction was to play the blame game!

He started with a covert lie, by diverting the attention to another, rather than admit his guilt, and people have been doing that forever since.

[Your closest friendnt]

50 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Your closest friendnt.

Have you ever stopped to consider what makes "sin" sin? Most do NOT do it to be obnoxious or purposely evil. Most are just ... well ... self-centered and egotistic! And, the worst ones are downright narcissistic!

It's this self-centeredness that we've inherited from our parents. Think about it: How does a baby lie to his or her mother? He or she will cry like he or she is being killed! Then, as soon as mommy picks up the baby, the crying stops! All he or she wanted was attention!

What was the first thing out of Adam's mouth when he was "caught" by God?

Genesis 3:12 (KJV)

12 And the man said,

"The woman whom THOU gavest to be with me, SHE gave me of the tree, and I did eat."

His first, gut reaction was to play the blame game!

He started with a covert lie, by diverting the attention to another, rather than admit his guilt, and people have been doing that forever since.

Shalom, Retrobyter

 You made some very important points. 

Not all sins are premeditated and well thought out.

And very often people do things and they do not understand themselves why they did it....

We need to quard our selves and be slow to anger and not to let anger take over and dull our minds. 

Some times I think what Adam could do at that time he dreded to be alone...and he did not want Eve to know more than him...as it happened.  

Eve asked him to joined her, I cannot understand the reasons but by that time Eve had experience the change in her self maybe she experience the fear if being alone without Adam and she could not go back to where she was and she asked Adam to come to her word and  be with her...

And again they were used to one another..they were the only company for each other. 

Strange that he was able to quickly say that but again by that time ge had changed and had new understanding new consciousness. 

Certainly we can learn...from that.

That the first time God mentioned sin it is with Cain..and as a result of sin he terminate his fellowship with Cain...

This is the death because of sin...to be separated from God while still alive because of sin...

And yet God gave his fellowship to Adam and Eve after their disobedience in the Garden...that will support that God did not see them as sinners the way he show Cain as a sinner...

Or rather they disobeyed and he said that they disobeyed and did not deny it...but God did not say that they sin...because if they had sin in God's eyes he would have not given his fellowship to them...

Any way God never said that they sin...he only said disobeyed and he did not give them a lecture that so and so...about what is sin and what is not sin...he did not do that. 

[Your closest friendnt]

Shalom, @Retrobyter

God said to them that this tree is the tree of Knowledge of what is good and what is not good...and the only way to have that knowledge is if you eat from the fruit of that tree...you cannot have that knowledge from me, I cannot give it to you...

But if you decided to do that and have that knowledge it will come with the "surely die" 

This is what Adam and Eve gave to their children the "surely die " together with "the knowledge of good and not good". 

They did not sin and they did not born their children with sin...Abel was in the "surely die" state inherited from Adam and he never sin and died without any sin.. 

He was only in the "surely die" mode because Adam was in that mode.