Who is not seen in John's vision.

[Montana Marv]

According to John's vision in Rev 4 and 5, who does he see.  Around the Throne are the 4 Living Creatures, the 24 Elders, Thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand angels; in a loud voice they sang, Worthy is the Lamb.....  All these (players) are seen around the Throne.  Who now is missing from this vision?

There is no mention of the Accuser (Satan) being in or around the Throne of God at this time.  Rev 12:10b - For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. v.12b,c - But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you.  He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.

And all this before the Scroll is opened.

The 24 Elders, the 4 Living Creatures, and the vast host of angels are all seen in Johns vision.  All are praising and worshipng God and the Lamb on the Throne.

 Oh where, oh where art thou Satan.  He is absent from Johns vision.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

 

What is the implication of Satan not being there in the Vision?

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Shilohsfoal]

On 6/8/2023 at 6:03 PM, Montana Marv said:

 

What is the implication of Satan not being there in the Vision?

In Christ

Montana Marv

He's a busy guy.

Got a lot of deceiving to do elsewhere?

Edited July 27, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[douggg]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

 

What is the implication of Satan not being there in the Vision?

In Christ

Montana Marv

It means that Satan and his angels (the angels who sided with Satan) are not allowed access to the third heaven, ever since iniquity was found in him.    The only time, thereafter, that Satan would be in the third heaven is if he is summoned there by God to appear before God.

Satan and his angels's current realm is the second heaven, the first heaven, and earth.  There are also some of Satan's angels in the bottomless pit.

 

[tatwo]

On 6/8/2023 at 11:39 AM, Montana Marv said:

According to John's vision in Rev 4 and 5, who does he see.  Around the Throne are the 4 Living Creatures

Who are those 4 living creatures Marv?

[WilliamL]

On 6/8/2023 at 10:39 AM, Montana Marv said:

 Oh where, oh where art thou Satan.  He is absent from Johns vision.

Satan is currently the "prince /archon of the power of the air" (Eph. 2:2), which is the lowest of the heavenly realms. The level of the throne is above that.

[Montana Marv]

19 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Satan is currently the "prince /archon of the power of the air" (Eph. 2:2), which is the lowest of the heavenly realms. The level of the throne is above that.

Does Satan have access to the Throne above.  Scripture says he does, even though he is prince of the power of the air below.

Who else is missing are those saints under the altar in Heaven pleading for their blood to be avenged.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Does Satan have access to the Throne above.  Scripture says he does, even though he is prince of the power of the air below.

I believe Satan lost access to the level of the Throne when Jesus arose from the grave and ascended up to it. Thus Satan was driven downward to the lowest heaven.

In the beginning of the end times, he will be cast down even from there unto the earthly realm, when Jesus comes "in the air." 1 Thes. 4:17

At end of the period of the Wrath of God, after Jesus returns to earth, Satan will be cast down to the Abyss.

Seems to be a pattern here...

 

[Solus Christus]

On 6/8/2023 at 9:39 AM, Montana Marv said:

According to John's vision in Rev 4 and 5, who does he see.  Around the Throne are the 4 Living Creatures, the 24 Elders, Thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand angels; in a loud voice they sang, Worthy is the Lamb.....  All these (players) are seen around the Throne.  Who now is missing from this vision?

There is no mention of the Accuser (Satan) being in or around the Throne of God at this time.  Rev 12:10b - For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. v.12b,c - But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you.  He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.

And all this before the Scroll is opened.

The 24 Elders, the 4 Living Creatures, and the vast host of angels are all seen in Johns vision.  All are praising and worshipng God and the Lamb on the Throne.

 Oh where, oh where art thou Satan.  He is absent from Johns vision.

In Christ

Montana Marv

That is because Satan is the enemy of Christ, and will be thrown in the lake of fire, “And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever,” (Revelation 20:10). 

[Montana Marv]

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

I believe Satan lost access to the level of the Throne when Jesus arose from the grave and ascended up to it. Thus Satan was driven downward to the lowest heaven.

In the beginning of the end times, he will be cast down even from there unto the earthly realm, when Jesus comes "in the air." 1 Thes. 4:17

At end of the period of the Wrath of God, after Jesus returns to earth, Satan will be cast down to the Abyss.

Seems to be a pattern here...

 

Great, then we have no accuser in heaven who accuses the Brothers before God in Heaven.  Rev 12:10  So either Satan goes up into Heaven to accuse the Brothers, or God comes down to Satan to the lower sky for this to happen.

In Christ

Montana Marv