Let's discuss Revelation 17

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

You do understand Russia, Iran and Turkey ARE going to attack Israel OR God has to be a liar right? 

You should not put that sort of qualifer on anything you write.

Yes, Russia, Iran, and Turkey are going to attack Israel as part of the Gog/Magog group.

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

That all just a over dramatized theory. What really happens is Israel joins the E.U. That amounts to the same thing without Israel worshiping the Anti-Christ as you seem to put forth.

The EU in bible prophecy is the kingdom of the ten kings.   Israel is not part of that group.    Israel is not going to be part of a gentile kingdom.    They are extremely independent as a Jewish state.

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

The Rev. 8 Asteroid (Apophis) will but 1/3 of the worlds trees which basically means 1/3 of the world, these trees are going to burn houses and buildings galore

The seven trumpets don't take place until the great tribulation begins at the point when the abomination of desolation statue image is setup on the temple mount.

The Gog/Magog event, on the other hand, is right before the 7 years begin.

Revelation Man, you are all over the place concerning what event happens when.   You need to get a graphics program and start learning how to make some timeline charts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 21, 2023 by douggg

[douggg]

Why timeline charts ?   Why not just words?

In high school, your math teacher wrote "2 + 2 = 4 " on the chalkboard.   And said with words, two plus two equals four.

She did not write on the board " two plus two equals four" - because digits and math symbols, such as plus and minus,  convey math better.

And in bible prophecy, we are working with events that have numbers attached to them.

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So timeline (numbers of days) charts of events are the prime communicator of clarity - of what are complex bible prophecy events.     Coupled with those timeline chart are the words and discussion that go with them, in our posts.

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So I am saying to everyone - your words are not sufficient in and of themselves for clarity of complex bible prophecy events. 

Get a graphics program and learn how to make timeline charts.     By doing so, some of the ideas you currently have will become apparent, that you have made some mistake(s) in interpretation and thinking - when you try to build a chart. 

 

Edited June 21, 2023 by douggg

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

They simply enter an Agreement, but 1/3 after they repent at the 1335,

I have no idea what you are trying to communicate without a timeline chart showing the 1335.     You don't even say the 1335 what?

 

 

Edited June 21, 2023 by douggg

[Revelation Man]

7 hours ago, douggg said:

You should not put that sort of qualifer on anything you write.

Yes, Russia, Iran, and Turkey are going to attack Israel as part of the Gog/Magog group.

Of course we put the qualifier on scripture all the time to prove events MUST COME TO PASS. There is no use in endless debates on Babylon being an END TIME CITY, it is nit going to happen because God's Prophets foretold they would never be inhabited again, its thus a foregone conclusion, just like this Gog & Magog War. By the way, I have done in depth studies in who this is, the Scythians are modern day Russia, they are the peoples over the Stepp Mountains, and the reason they are called Magog is because that was the name given to the peoples who were great horsemen who fought the Mongols and were so good at fighting the had to build the Great Wall. I can find my research, in essence, Gog is simple a name for their "Leader" who I see as Putin since its all going down within the next 5 years. These Magogians have this end time relationship with Persia and the Turks, which is what we see unfolding now. The Rev. 20 war is like Rev. 17, it just takes Daniel 5 and shows who the Harlot is, or Zechariah where God took the four horses and used them again in Rev. chapter 6. The Magog war of Rev. 20 is just Gid doing the exact same thing, the only difference is this original Prophecy has yet to come to pass so using it in Rev. 20 will confuse some people. 

7 hours ago, douggg said:

The EU in bible prophecy is the kingdom of the ten kings.   Israel is not part of that group.    Israel is not going to be part of a gentile kingdom.    They are extremely independent as a Jewish state.

 

But my brother, have I not shown you this before? If not my mistake, I though I had long ago. The European Neighborhood Policy is an E.U. agenda policy that seeks to bring the Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region more in alignment with them, and it even says they may target some of these Nations for future Member States. Where does Israel play their Soccer at? In the E.U. Qualifiers. Many of the Liberal Elitist Israelis have wanted to become E.U. Members for a while, Israel has found MEGA Gas thus they become a vital nation to the E.U. against Russia who holds most of the cards on that front. That is why Russia will attack them, they will use Israel bombing Iran's Nuclear Facilities as an excuse.

European Neighborhood Policy (ENP)

The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) is a foreign relations instrument of the European Union (EU) which seeks to tie those countries to the east and south of the European territory of the EU to the Union. These countries, primarily developing countries, include some who seek to one day become either a member state of the European Union, or more closely integrated with the European Union. 

 The countries are Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Syria, Tunisia and Palestine to the south. 

The EU offers financial assistance to countries within the European Neighbourhood, so long as they meet the strict conditions of government reform, economic reform and other issues surrounding positive transformation. This process is normally underpinned by an Action Plan agreed by Brussels and the target country. 

The EU typically concludes Association Agreements in exchange for commitments to political, economic, trade, or human rights reform in a country. In exchange, the country may be offered tariff-free access to some or all EU markets (notably industrial goods or agricultural products) and financial or technical assistance.

ESTABLISHMENT

The European Union's European Neighbourhood Policy aims at bringing Europe and its neighbours closer. It was conceived after the 2004 enlargement of the European Union with 10 new member countries, in order to avoid creating new borders in Europe. It is also designed to prevent the emergence of new dividing lines between the enlarged EU and its neighbours. The vision is that of a ring of countries, drawn into further integration, but without necessarily becoming full members of the European Union. The policy was first outlined by the European Commission in March 2003.

On 25 May 2011, the European Commission launched what it described as a new and ambitious European Neighbourhood Policy, backed by more than €1.2 billion in new funding, bringing the total to almost €7 billion. The main priorities and directions of a revitalised ENP strategy are set out in the Joint Communication by the European Commission and the High Representative for Foreign Affairs, titled "A new response to a changing Neighbourhood". It seeks to strengthen individual and regional relationships between the EU and countries in its neighbourhood through a "more funds for more reform" approach – making more additional funds available, but with more mutual accountability.

In the South, the first comprehensive policy for the region was the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership (or Barcelona Process) a wide framework of political, economic and social relations between member states of the EU and countries of the Southern Mediterranean. It was initiated on 27–28 November 1995 through a conference of Ministers of Foreign Affairs, held in Barcelona. Besides the 27 member states of the European Union, the remaining "Mediterranean Partners" are all other Mediterranean countries including Libya (which had 'observer status' from 1999 to 2012).

In March 2015, the European Commission launched a review of the principles on which the policy is based as well as its scope and how its instruments should be used. The consultation follows four priorities: differentiation; focus; flexibility; ownership and visibility. A Communication setting out proposals for the future direction of the ENP will follow in autumn.

Funding: from the ENPI via ENI to NDICI

Giving incentives and rewarding best performers, as well as offering funds in a faster and more flexible manner, were the two main principles underlying the European Neighbourhood Instrument (ENI) that came into force in 2014 and was merged in 2021(REMEMBER THESE TWO YEARS) into Global Europe. It has a budget of €15.4 billion and provides the bulk of funding through a number of programmes and replaced The earlier European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI). This cooperation instrument continues to be managed by Directorate-General for Development and Cooperation and EuropeAid, which turns decisions taken on a political level into actions on the ground. The ENPI funding approved for the 2007–2013 period was €11.2 billion.

Agreements
In recent history, such agreements are signed as part of two EU policies: Stabilisation and Association Process (SAP) and European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP). The countries of the Mediterranean and the East European EU neighbours (including South Caucasus, but excluding Russia that insists on creating four EU–Russia Common Spaces) are covered by ENP through the Directorate-General for External Relations

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NOTICE: On this site it used to give the Agreement dates as 2007-2013 (that is still there) AND it gave the other Agreement dates as 2014-2020. Instead, as you see, it has been edited since we passed 2020, and they merely say where I posted REMEMBER THESE TWO YEARS, above, that the ENI (European Neighborhood Instrument) came into effect in 2014 and that was MERGED in 2021 into the Global Europe programs. So, we can see when these AGREEMENTS happen, every 7 Years, 2007-2013, then 2014-2020 and then in 2021 they had another Agreement which changed the BY-LAWS. Europe is using MONIES in order to try to get these nations to reform on things like homosexuality, etc. etc. they are using the Carrot and the Stick approach.

The Psalm 83 war has PASSED, anyone looking for that will miss what is coming. The Psalm 83 wars were Israel and all the nations surrounding her who tried to wipe her out time and again from 1948 to 2010ish, when Iran changed the DYNAMICS, Trumps Abraham Accords brough Israel and her surrounding neighbors into an alliance, thus when Israel gets attacked by Gog & Magog (very soon) those nations with an IMMEDIATE BORDER with Israel will not attack Israel. She lives in VILLIAGES without WALLS, this does not mean there will be no walls, they still have crazed individual madmen, thus those "walls" will stay up, but it is Metaphoric, Israel would need no walls at THIS TIME as per feeling threatened by her immediate neighbors, but lone bombers mandates they stay up forever, God thinks on the BIG PICTURE SPECTRUM, He is telling us Israel will be at peace with all of her neighbors and that they will not attack her, so DO NIT WAIT on "Walls to come down". This is why Prophecy is a whole different beast, just not everyone can grasp it.

NOW, who are THE MANY in Dan. 9:27 and 8:25 as well as the Many Counties in Dan. 11:40-43? Well, LOOK ABOVE, the coming Anti-Christ will not only Conquer Israel, but every nation in the Mediterranean Sea Region. Who does the E.U. have "AGREEMENTS with? Well, we can SEE ABOVE right? So, let me post the verses that cite THE MANY !!

Dan. 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: (Not just Israel) and in the midst of the week (1290 AoD by the False Prophet) he(The A.C. Beast orders the F.P. to STOP Jesus Worship) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Dan. 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

So, everyone looks only towards Israel, they say Israel accepts this False Messiah, its not factual, MANY COUNTRIES FALL in Daniel 11:41, and MANY are destroyed by PEACE in Dan. 8:25 and MANY sign this same Agreement (Covenant) that Israel signs. 

Now look at those the A.C. conquers in Dan. 11:40-43, he rolls through many countries to get to Israel, meaning Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and we know via Dan. 8:9 he conquers Turkey and Egypt also, because he conquers TOWARDS the East and TOWARDS the South and in Dan. 11:42-43 we ae shown the Beast conquers all of North Africa, the only place he does not conquer is, Edom, Moab and Ammon (The Petra/Bozrah area where Israel flees unto_

Now, with us knowing all of this lets look at a Map of Old Rome and a Map of the E.U. and all the nations in this ENP Pact !! 

Rome circa 117 AD

Europe in Blue the ENP nations in Orange

So, when the E.U. (Blue) & Anti-Christ conquers the whole Mediterranean Sea Region (Orange) and Turkey (Dan. 8:9) does this map look like the Old Roman Empire or not? 

Do not forget, these Nations, like England, joined the E.U. and have the "ABILITY" (wink wink) to leave like the UK left. So, it is kind of not seen by them as anything other than a safe bet, they do not see it as them giving up their sovereignty, but the E.U. MADATES Israel give up her Nuclear Weapons in order to join the E.U. Ever think why the European Union allowed Nations to remain sovereign for he most part? This is why they are PARTLY strong and PARTLY weak. They had to do this in order to get older nations to join together, but Satan also knows he has to make it look like each nation is Independent or else he could never trick Israel into joining. The COVENANT or AGREEMENT is Israel joining the E.U. They do not accept "The Anti-Christ" as a False Messiah.

Too long, will answer the rest later. 

This is VERY, VERY important. People need to see what I see. 

[Marilyn C]

[Revelation Man]

16 hours ago, douggg said:

The seven trumpets don't take place until the great tribulation begins at the point when the abomination of desolation statue image is setup on the temple mount.

 

I meant to say 1/3 of the world burns not but. Oh well.

The First Trump (Apohis....well, the sulfur balls/fire that falls from  Apophis) starts the DOTL/Wrath of God. The 1290 happens 30 days before this however.

16 hours ago, douggg said:

The Gog/Magog event, on the other hand, is right before the 7 years begin.

 

Yes, OR right after. Either way, they chases Israel into a deeper relationship with the E.U. 

16 hours ago, douggg said:

Revelation Man, you are all over the place concerning what event happens when.   You need to get a graphics program and start learning how to make some timeline charts.

 

Well, its pretty easy to understand, I might be the only man God has revealed this unto, if so I am not getting it out properly, or God just isn't ready to release it just yet. It is not that hard to understand, but people have blockers on, which are Old Men's Traditions. I will explain it below.

 

15 hours ago, douggg said:

So I am saying to everyone - your words are not sufficient in and of themselves for clarity of complex bible prophecy events. 

 

Well, I see no CHARTS in the Bible (SMILE) I got you there !! But I understand you point. 

The 1335, 1290, and 1260 are the key to unlocking all end time prophecy. God gave me a mind like Einstein's via Science, I can see things in the abstract and put them together, but I was BLOCKED until I got what the 1290 and 1335 actually meant. Then it al opened up unto me. Its like a ship in the Atlantic Ocean trying to find its path to the Pacific Ocean, it will never come into view until you found the Panama Canal. That Panama Canal is the key. Likewise God has keys that unlock end time events.

15 hours ago, douggg said:

I have no idea what you are trying to communicate without a timeline chart showing the 1335.     You don't even say the 1335 what?

 

I left that 1335 mention ambiguous on purpose, that way if you ask you are interested. To be honest it just goes over most everyone's head. The Anti-Christ being the 1290 BLOCKS THEM, because in truth he is NOT the 1290 nor can he be, because of the timelines.

CRUDE TIMELINE BELOW.....Graphics ain't my bag.

day 1..................1335.....1290....1260........................day 2520

Lets walk through Dan. 12:7-12 and see why everyone gets this wrong, and why this blocks them from understanding End Time Events in full.

In Dan. 11:36-45 we see the Anti-Christ/Beasts 42 month reign, it ends with vs. 45 and then in  Dan. 12:1-2 Daniel was told his people would be raised at the very end, just after Michael stands up to protect the Saints (WHO REPENT...very important). Then we get THREE EVENTS (people do not understand this) Juxtaposed against the 2nd Coming ENDING ALL OF THESE WONDERS, but Daniel was not told what any of the events (number of days) meant. But figuring out what the 1260 event is was pretty easy for everyone, its the A.C./Beast/Little Horn. But then everyone gets OFFTRACKED for some reason. WATCH:

Dan. 12:6 And one(Gabriel or Michael) said to the man clothed in linen(Jesus Pre Incarnate), which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half(1260 days); and when he(A.C.) shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

{{ So, Jesus told Daniel (in MODERN English) that after this man scatters (the A.C. in Dan. 11:36-45) Israel (they lose power over their Nation) there will be 1260 days until ALL THESE WONDERS END (He answered the Angel Gabriel's question). So, what ends all of these wonders? Well, the 2nd Coming of course, so THE FULCRUM is the 2nd Coming of Jesus via ALL THREE NUMBERS the 1260, 1290 and 1335 BUT......the bigger number is further away from the FULCRUM POINT, so the larger number comes first, and each is a separate event with importance.}} 

Lets now look at Daniels question which matches the angels question exactly

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? ( The exact Same Question)

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end(NOW, thus I got it revealed because  its now the END TIMES).

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried(Church Age); but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand(End time Jews thus they know to Flee Judea at the 1290).

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice(Jesus Worship, shall be taken away or Forbidden), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up(Image of the Beast or E.U. Prez), there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

{{ TILL ALL OF THESE WONDERS END via the 2nd Coming of Jesus, that is the question Daniel asked in verse 8. }}

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (Or in modern English, blessed is he who is alive when the Two-witnesses show up at the 1335 to turn Israel back unto God)

{{ So, the Two-witnesses are the 1335 Blessing, they show up 1335 days before the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS !! The 2nd Coming is the fulcrum point !! Doesn't the Beast rule for 1260 days until Jesus shows up? Yes, but remember, Daniel was not told who the he was in Dan. 12:7 either. He said what? I do not understand and thus Jesus told him to go his way, these things would be locked up until the very ends of time (NOW). I did not just accept this, I tried it thinking I heard some foul stuff from a wrong spirit, but EVERYTHING FITS. Thus it is of God. WATCH

So, do the Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the DOTL? Yes, Malachi 4:5-6 says Elijah will be sent back before the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord !! BUT......BUT...BUT, we should be able to see this in Revelation if the Two-witnesses return before the DOTL, well we can. God gave both the Beast AND the Two-witnesses 1260 day Ordained Offices on earth for a reason, so we can juxtapose their timelines against each other. So, if the the coming Tw0-witneses show up before the Beast at the 1335, which is 75 days before the 1260, then they MUST ALSO DIE before the Beast dies right? Correct, they die at the 2nd Woe in Rev. 11, BEHOLD the 3rd Woe comes quickly, The Beast dies at the 7th Vial which ends the 3rd Woe, so guess what, we now know the 3rd Woe lasts for 75 days. The 1335 is the TWO-WITNESSES, now think what all this settles that used to be unsettled issues.

How does Israel know to Flee Judea at the 1290 event: They do not read Matt. 24:15-21, but the Two-witnesses understand all of this. Thus when the 1/3 of the Jews who repent at the 1335, they start reading the Bible of course, and they go to their Temple to worship Jesus Christ en mass. This will ANGER the Jewish High Priest and also from AFAR it will anger the E.U. President (A.C.). Since Israel has joined the E.U. by this time these two work hand in hand together, the A.C. is not allowed to go forth conquering until the 1260 Asteroid Event or DOTL God's Wrath (Rev. 8 Trumps), thus he is NOT the one that TAKES AWAY or forbids the Sacrifice (Jesus Worship) from the masses, he CAUSES it from afar, see Dan. 9:27 it says he CAUSES these things. Now, who places the IMAGE? Well, Rev. 13 says the Beast from the earth (Israel those from the Sea were Gentiles) or False Prophet/2nd Beast places the IMAGE or gets men to worship the IMAGE, so the 1290 is the False Prophet, not the A.C. who only becomes the Beast 30 days later. This 1290 NOT BEING the A.C. has peoples mind locked up, they can't accept it, even though I can lay out all the facts. Want to see Israel repent JUST BEFORE the coming DOTL? Watch, I can do that also.

Zech. 13:8-9 says that 1/3 of Israel repents, goes through the fire and God calls them His people, and they call God their God, then in the very next verse (Zech. 14:1) it says Behold the DOTL comes or has arrived, and in vs. 2 we see Israel is sacked or conquered. Then in vs. 3 we see that Jesus splits the Mt. of Olives and defeats the Anti-Christ/Beast. So, it all matches up to a tee. One more thing, has it ever kind of bothered you that God would WAIT until the Beast had conquered Israel and then give them the AoD sign? (SMILE, makes zero sense) But if the False Prophet is the one that STOPS Jesus Worship at the 1290 AFTER the Jews repent at the 1335, then that would give the Jews 30 days to Flee Judea BEFORE the A.C./Beast Conquers them. 

IT ALL FITS because its truth brother. 

No one will ever understand in full, END TIME EVENTS, until they understand the 1335 is 1335 days before the 2nd coming, 45 days before the 1290 AoD and 75 days before the 1260 A.C./Beast.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Revelation Man

[douggg]

4 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, I see no CHARTS in the Bible (SMILE) I got you there !! But I understand you point. 

I knew that comment would be coming.   

In Daniel 12, the prophecies are sealed until the end times.

The bible was not written in the end times.

But now that we are in the end times, with internet communication, and computer graphics programs, we can make timeline charts.

8 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The 1335, 1290, and 1260 are the key to unlocking all end time prophecy. God gave me a mind like Einstein's via Science, I can see things in the abstract and put them together, but I was BLOCKED until I got what the 1290 and 1335 actually meant.

The issue is communicating to others whatever you figured out in a form suited to the task, than just words. 

Get a graphics program like Paint shop Pro, learn how to use it (it is fun), and start making some charts.   You will thank me.  I will help you if you need some help.

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, the Two-witnesses are the 1335 Blessing, they show up 1335 days before the 2nd Coming

No, they don't.  The two witnesses appear in Israel, the same day the prince who shall come is anointed the King of Israel - as he confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for seven years to begin day 1 of the 2520 day (7 year timeline).

The 1335 days marks when the Abomination of Desolation is setup on the timeline.

1335 days before Jesus returns.

Edited June 22, 2023 by douggg

[douggg]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

CRUDE TIMELINE BELOW.....Graphics ain't my bag.

day 1..................1335.....1290....1260........................day 2520

That's not a timeline because you don't show the day on the timeline, of the 1335 days , nor the 1290 days, nor the 1260 days.

 

day 1.............................(the 7 years)_...........................................day 2520

 

day 1...............................day 1185.............(1335 days)...................day 2520

 

day 1.................................day 1260 (the two witnesses killed)......day 2520

 

day 1................................day 1185.......(1290 days).....day 2475......day 2520

 

On day 1, the confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant, the 7 years begin.

On day 1185, the abomination of desolation setup on the temple mount.

On day  1260, the two witnesses will be killed.

On day 2475, the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

Between day 2475 and day 2520, the kings of the earth will assemble their armies at Armageddon.

Edited June 22, 2023 by douggg

[Revelation Man]

9 minutes ago, douggg said:

That's not a timeline because you don't show the day on the timeline, of the 1335 days , nor the 1290 days, nor the 1260 days.

 

day 1.............................(the 7 years)_...........................................day 2520

 

day 1...............................day 1185.............(1335 days)...................day 2520

 

day 1.................................day 1260 (the two witnesses killed)......day 2520

 

day 1................................day 1185.......(1290 days).....day 2475......day 2520

 

On day 1, the confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant, the 7 years begin.

On day 1185, the abomination of desolation setup on the temple mount.

On day  1260, the two witnesses will be killed.

On day 2475, the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

Between day 2475 and day 2520, the kings of the earth will assemble their armies at Armageddon.

I am not going to debate with you that which you can not see. I am correct, you will find out at the Pre Trib Rapture when all of Satan's blocking powers are removed.