Any thoughts on this?

[phoneman-777]

Just now, Vine Abider said:

I perceive we will go nowhere with this discussion, even if it went for weeks - been in too many of them.  

So thanks for your input, bro.  I'm bowing out.  The Lord is with your spirit!

Aw, c'mon, man! I thought you were "the one" to answer the challenge

If these lost "many" of Matthew 24:12 are not saints, who are they, since they can't be sinners?

[Vine Abider]

10 hours ago, phoneman-777 said:

Aw, c'mon, man! I thought you were "the one" to answer the challenge

If these lost "many" of Matthew 24:12 are not saints, who are they, since they can't be sinners?

Sorry - thought about it . . . but won't be me - no profit. 

Let's start and participate in a thread about enjoying and gaining Christ together!  

[Neighbor]

6 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Sounds like one we are saved, it's not possible to lose salvation!

If you were to live sinfully you'd still be saved in the end.

Nope. Read the Bible. Pray about what  is read, think about what is read.

 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.  You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?  Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.  A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.  Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.  Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

“Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:  and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.

“But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”

And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching,  for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

 

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

7 hours ago, JimmyB said:

Yes.  If a person is "born again"", i.e., receives the Holy Spirit, and then deliberately repeatedly sins, s/he will lose her/his salvation.  Being "saved" is not a joke! If anyone treats their new status -  born again -- as a license to behave however s/he wants, God will reject them.

If s/he deliberately sins I doubt if s/he was ever saved.

What about the people 1 Timothy 4:1 is talking about?

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

They were saved because one cannot depart from the faith is they never were saved in the first place.

And if one cannot lose salvation than why is it saying these people started following doctrines of devils after having departing from the faith?

I'm starting to wonder about you guys that claim one absolutely cannot lose salvation after reading stuff like this.

Something isn't adding up!

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

2 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

I perceive we will go nowhere with this discussion, even if it went for weeks - been in too many of them.  

So thanks for your input, bro.  I'm bowing out.  The Lord is with your spirit!

Maybe you don't have confidence in your position?

[JimmyB]

8 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

What about the people 1 Timothy 4:1 is talking about?

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

They were saved because one cannot depart from the faith is they never were saved in the first place.

And if one cannot lose salvation than why is it saying these people started following doctrines of devils after having departing from the faith?

I'm starting to wonder about you guys that claim one absolutely cannot lose salvation after reading stuff like this.

Something isn't adding up!

 

What isn't adding up is your understanding.  The quote I gave from Hebrews clearly shows that people can lose their salvation.

[Vine Abider]

8 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Maybe you don't have confidence in your position?

You're right!  My confidence and my boast is Christ and His operation in me, not my doctrinal knowledge (which will fail as per 1st Corinthians 13).

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

Let me rephrase - maybe you don't know how to convince others your viewpoint of the bible is the right viewpoint and because of this you need to step away

This would strongly suggest deep down you have doubts about eternal security being true biblical teaching.

I understand though because whatever group of friends you have all believe this so you could never change now because your friends would forsake you.

I went to a church for a while that had women pastors and that's how they were.  When you showed them in the bible that women are not called by the Lord to be pastors, they would say even if that were the case they don't want to depart from their comfortable social club

[TheBlade]

16 hours ago, phoneman-777 said:

Aw, c'mon, man! I thought you were "the one" to answer the challenge

If these lost "many" of Matthew 24:12 are not saints, who are they, since they can't be sinners?

Hope is ok to cut in.. we don't have to dance haha pffft. Now if we have truly been studying this there are at least 3 different views when it comes to Matt 24 and saved till the end. Since only one of those views is being discussed then this is mute.

Now if we try to apply Rev 3 the lukewarm.. He never spit them out.. about to but never has. He did tell them to repent  So if were running with speculation then maybe they do repent and get it right. Since were like our Father we speak word of life and faith... we call those things that be not as though they were. Faith pleases the Father.

[TheBlade]

2 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Let me rephrase - maybe you don't know how to convince others your viewpoint of the bible is the right viewpoint and because of this you need to step away

This would strongly suggest deep down you have doubts about eternal security being true biblical teaching.

I understand though because whatever group of friends you have all believe this so you could never change now because your friends would forsake you.

I went to a church for a while that had women pastors and that's how they were.  When you showed them in the bible that women are not called by the Lord to be pastors, they would say even if that were the case they don't want to depart from their comfortable social club

Why not just take someone at their word and not try to read something into it thats not there.

Well in this case (women) its not them that are in error (women pastors) its you. There are things we do today we would not be allowed to do back then. This is about Israel and how did they treat women under the law? Were talking over 2 thousand years ago. God has not changed. He used women under the law and after if He calls some woman to be pastor or prophet and some don't like it.. tell Him. It won't go anywhere but you can try