Is the second coming of Christ near?

[NConly]

On 8/11/2023 at 5:11 AM, JohnD said:

The generation that sees the return of Israel to her homeland will not pass before all things (including Christ’s return) shall come to pass.

So if one adds 1948 plus 120 it is 2068

Some say the average lifespan today is 85; 1948 plus 85 is 2033

if one removes 7 yr trib 2033-7 is 2026

the above is just  speculation

[JohnD]

44 minutes ago, NConly said:

So if one adds 1948 plus 120 it is 2068

Some say the average lifespan today is 85; 1948 plus 85 is 2033

if one removes 7 yr trib 2033-7 is 2026

the above is just  speculation

We cannot know the date, but we are to discern the season.

As the Apostle Paul put it, our salvation draws nearer every day.

Romans 13:11 (KJV)
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Of this we can be absolutely certain.

 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

On 8/11/2023 at 4:11 AM, JohnD said:

The generation that sees the return of Israel to her homeland will not pass before all things (including Christ’s return) shall come to pass.

• Matthew 24:34
• Mark 13:30
• Luke 21:32

Speaking prophetically of Israel as the fig tree (Hosea 9:10) in each of the above passages (which Jesus cursed for fruitless unbelief) being restored to produce leaves (and not fruit, I might add) means the Jewish people will return to the holy land but in a state of non-spirituality. Ezekiel 37 also prophesies to this regathering as the breathless dry bones and the joined two sticks. All the eventual outcome from the 2520 year diaspora begun in 586 BCE…

Israel was never united or under its own sovereign reign since then… until 1948 CE. But even then not in a spiritual state. That’s been nearly 100 years. Most agree a biblical generation can be between 70 to 100 years.

To date, it’s been 75 years actually. By the coincidental 200 + year advancement of globalism (reference Eustace Mullins’ book Secrets of the Federal Reserve / revisited by Dr. J.R. Church of Prophecy in the News ministry in a broadcast series on the Watchman on the Wall Radio broadcast of the Southwest Radio Church circa 1994) the stage is being set for the beast of Revelation 13 to take over the world.

He will plow with the LORD’s heifer (John 5:43 / Daniel 9:27) feigning to be the promised Messiah the Jews who reject Jesus are still looking for. In a relatively short order he will win their trust by building the third temple and invoking what appears to be a global peace (Jeremiah 6:14, Jeremiah 8:11). And when he reneges on that covenant with Israel (Daniel 9:27 / Zechariah 5:5–11) the Jews will become the refuseniks the Christians had been.

Let me back up a step. When the beast appears on the world scene, he will oppose Christ and all who believe in him with a vengeance. This will be a persecution of Christians like never before (Revelation 12:17 - Revelation 13:18). The pre-wrath rapture is only pre-God’s-wrath… the devil’s wrath has been raging against the Church for 1900 + years. And in the first half of the 70th Week of Daniel (Daniel 9:24–27) that wrath of the evil one will come to a head where believers are hunted down (by the tracking system 666) to be executed. The rapture, when it occurs mind 70th Week of Daniel, will be of very few survivors so deep in hiding that their sudden absence will go unnoticed by the world.

When the beast reneges on his covenant with the Jewish people and puts an end to Temple sacrifice to revert to his Jerusalem (Babylon) originally built by his Moses (Nimrod), the Jews will realize they’d been had. They will balk and this is why the 200 million man army will be encamped at Armageddon to utterly destroy them. It is at that time they will finally (at long last) cry out to Jesus to be saved from this annihilation. ← sadly, as a last resort for nothing else will have worked… the poison of the leaven of the Pharisees have infected their beliefs about Jesus for 1900 + years…

And Jesus will come (Jude 14 / Matthew 23:37–39 / Zechariah 14:10):

Revelation 14:19–20 (KJV)

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Jesus made it clear in Matthew 23:37–39 that his return would be to rescue the Jewish people quoting the latter half of:

Psalm 118:25–26 (KJV)

25 Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.

26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.

Save now (hosha nah = hosanna) YeHOSHua HaMoshiakh (Jesus the Christ).

This outcry of the Jewish people is the very purpose for allowing the tribulation and great tribulation.

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I've always found it fascinating that the great Sir Isaac Newton ( some consider him the smartest human ever to live ) was an avid student of Bible prophesy and actually predicted the return of Christ in the year 2060. That would be 112 years after the restoration of the state of Israel and the very longest that people can live with modern science. 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

2 hours ago, JohnD said:

As the Apostle Paul put it, our salvation draws nearer every day.

Someone said, "these are the last days!"

Someone else comes along and says "how do you know these are the last days?"

The first guy says "these are YOUR last days either way!"

I always thought that was kinda funny, and a good way to reply to someone who does not think we are living in the last days since all of us are getting closer to leaving Club Earth with each passing day!


 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Stan Murff

[FJK]

On 8/11/2023 at 4:11 AM, JohnD said:

The generation that sees the return of Israel to her homeland will not pass before all things (including Christ’s return) shall come to pass.

Israel is for all practical purposes today not the entire original 12 tribes but the Jews by themselves.

So does the return of Israel mean the return of all of the to the homeland or just some of them?  depending on how you qualify Jews as Jews maybe a third or less are there now and most of those who are still scattered don't seem to be in a hurry to go there,

So is the generation alive in 1948 to be considered the generation that sees all things come to pass or is it yet to come when the rest of Israel returns home?

 

As I think about this I come to realize we may not know as much as we think we do about the prophecies, that there may still be much to learn before we can understand them.

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

Those that are Jews according to the flesh... are returning to Israel

This of course does not mean they are right with the Lord or following Jesus

But, more and more Jews are coming to accept Jesus as their Lord, now more than ever before.

[Keras]

16 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

They are according to the flesh... none of us are God's people if we turn away from Him and quit living for the Lord.

The Lord still wants them to be saved and has defended them miraculously since becoming a nation again will defend them again.  The Lord says all Israel will be saved (Romans 11:26-27)

So, are the new citizens of Israel, the Ethiopians and the Mizoram Indians, who merely practice some Jewish rites: true Israelites? 

It is part of Giod's Plan that a group calling themselves Jewish, would return to the Land - Matthew 24:32  Note: they do not 'bear fruit'. 

The soon to happen; great Day of the Lords fiery wrath will clear and cleanse all of the holy Land, ready for the Second exodus of Gods faithful peoples to go and live there. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 9:27, then - Zechariah 8:1-8, Romans 9:24-26

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

57 minutes ago, Keras said:

are the new citizens of Israel, the Ethiopians and the Mizoram Indians, who merely practice some Jewish rites: true Israelites?

Not necessarily unless it can be proven they are descendants of Abraham.  It is claim that thru DNA testing one can know if they are Jewish or not.
 

59 minutes ago, Keras said:

ready for the Second exodus of Gods faithful peoples to go and live there

Does that mean a bunch of crackers are going to move there and claim they have replaced the Jews as God's chosen people?

[Keras]

11 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Does that mean a bunch of crackers are going to move there and claim they have replaced the Jews as God's chosen people?

Jesus 'replaced' the Jews with the nation that bears the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43 The Christian peoples. 

Only the faithful peoples of God will occupy the holy Land. John sees them there in Revelation 7:9

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

9 hours ago, Keras said:

Jesus 'replaced' the Jews with the nation that bears the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43 The Christian peoples. 

Only the faithful peoples of God will occupy the holy Land. John sees them there in Revelation 7:9

OK, so you believe God lied to Abraham since in your view He has forsaken His promise to Abraham to bless his descendants?

God cannot forsake His own Word since He said the gifts and callings of God are without repentance.  If God ever forsakes His own Word that makes Him a liar which would make Him subservient to satan the father of lies.

God took care of that by saying "It's impossible for God to lie" (Hebrews 6:18) so this cannot never happen.

No one is saying the Lord approves of their rebellion, but He is still in fact seeking the hearts of the Jewish people to get them to return unto Him which thy will do in the end when all of Israel is saved. (Romans 11:26-27)

They are still God's people according to the flesh which is different than gentiles being God's people spiritually in the Body of Christ so God did not actually replace the Jews with the Christians as these are 2 different people groups

Edited September 5, 2023 by Stan Murff