Rapture: to be or not to be?

[Shilohsfoal]

11 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

So there is more than one abomination of desolation?

"When you see the abomination"  .... in scripture there is only one.

There are remnants of what happened in Sodom and Gamorah,
still remaining in that region, I saw a documentary about it once.
On the ground are pure chunks of sulfur, some kind of very pure sulfur.
And so whatever rained down on them, was blue, very hot pure sulfur based fire,
something from God, out of this world.

Have you seen the nuclear scare scam by Galen Winsor?
It's a good watch, he puts 'radioactive' stuff in his mouth and other such things,
explaining how that much of the 'radioactive' scare that was going on was hogwash.

I think that the idea of nukes will be used to mask and muddy end times events.
When God rains down fire and brimstone on modern Babylon, people will be led to believe it is just a 'nuke' that happened.

 

There is one AoD placed in Jerusalem.But yes there are many.

 

Well,that is what the king of the north uses to innihilate many at tht time.He is a moron but he has the nukes so he will use them.

 

Daniel 11:44

⁴⁴ But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

 

 

I do agree that no one who is not saved will realize God is in control.But those who are saved at that time will know what's up.

[DeighAnn]

21 hours ago, The Light said:

Are you going to just skip the righteous that are harvested first?????

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

 

A second angel for the unrighteous

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

And, And, And, And, And, And  THEY are ALL happening at the same time. 


And the angel came out CRYING TO HIM that sat on the cloud.  

Not two different harvests.  

GOD is SPECIFIC about the harvest....THEY GROW TOGETHER until the harvest...

then the tares are taken, not the WHEAT.


He ALSO had a sharp sickle ANOTHER joining together.  

If one has to WORK really hard to convince others that what is easily seen, is NOT TRUTH,  and what IS has to be explained, then that is the problem.  That is how it is written.  Look at Genesis 1.  God puts them all together by THE 'AND'S'.  He does it all thoughout the bible.  



I am reading and believing it just as it is written.  NO DOCTRINE tells me WHAT it needs to be saying.  Can you say that?

Take and read it to 100 people with no explanation and see how many it comes across as different events of different people at different times, and let that be your answer. 

IF you have to explain, then it has become a 'personal' religion, not Gods.   Been there, done that, and I STARTED at the VERY BEGINNING again,  and just LISTENed to HIS WORDS.  They build, one upon another to the point where they themselves become the fences that lead our thoughts. 


The angels are crying to one another.  When Christ retuns there is going to be a lot of souls going into the winepress for destruction.  The vine of THE EARTH is not the VINE OF HEAVEN.  

We are not of this world, our citizenship is in heaven.  Those of this world, the vine of the earth, are of the prince of the power of the air.  


The time had to be shortened or else there would be NO flesh saved alive, no ALIVE AND REMAINING ELECT, that is why the time was shortened.  It is going to take are MULTIPLE angels to 'dispatch' all those who have taken the mark of the beast because

all souls will be in their spiritual bodies for the Lords Day (death defeated, where is it's sting),

BUT being in a spiritual body doesn't MEAN SOMEONE has 'become immortal' ....we know that by THE ANGELS IN CHAINS in darkness awaiting destruction, we know that by Satan and his angels being cast to the earth.  

That is why from the time HEAVEN OPENS again, the start of it's BECOMING THE VISABLE REALM, the unseen becoming the seen, the kingdom of heaven COMING upon the earth, the NEW REALM coming to rule...

we see ALL THE 'MARKED' PEOPLE DIE THEIR FIRST DEATH,

FROM KINGS ON DOWN TO SLAVES.  

Everyone on earth falls into one of two catagories, marked or unmarked

most have taken the mark of the beast by worshipping the Image, and DIE

or

a few have endured to the end/remained and by NOT HAVING TAKEN THE MARK are still 'in LIFE/ALIVE' AND they will NOT die but will be changed.  



 

11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

THE GREAT WINE PRESS THAT HARVEST GOES TO IS THE WRATH OF GOD.  WE, don't SUFFER the wrath of GOD

SO THAT CAN'T BE OUR HARVEST....19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.


Did I miss a verse that states any of those the SICKLE comes after go ANYWHERE other that the wrath of GOD?




 

Edited August 27, 2023 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

21 hours ago, The Light said:

Lot left Sodom. Destruction came on Sodom.

That's as simple as I can make it.

Destruction will come upon the evil of the world.  The 'Lot's' will be 'KEPT FROM' that destruction as they will stand out as 'lamps in the darkness' changed when He returns.    

LOT WASN'T 'RAPTURED' TO HEAVEN and still he was as safe as could be.  That is as simple as I can make it.  Now IF HIS WHOLE FAMILY was taken to heaven to escape destruction, then I would say OK, YOU ARE correct, but since they remained on the earth I will have to say THE POINT IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN PRE TRIB RAPTURE.  Same for Noah, all remained on earth and safe.  

Their SAFE came in DIFFERENT WAYS, none of them by removal, which is what you would need.  There have only been 2.  And those 2 are most likely being sent back for their 'first death'.  


I don't know why I have internet at the moment, I am not supposed to they aren't due to come and replace the modem till the 6th of Sept, so I might not be able to respond and is the reason why it is taking so long,  just so you know.  And what I do have is basically 'dial up' speeds at best.

[The Light]

59 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

THE GREAT WINE PRESS THAT HARVEST GOES TO IS THE WRATH OF GOD.  WE, don't SUFFER the wrath of GOD

I know.

59 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

SO THAT CAN'T BE OUR HARVEST....19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Did I miss a verse that states any of those the SICKLE comes after go ANYWHERE other that the wrath of GOD?

 

Yes you missed several verses.

 

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

 

The verses in blue are the righteous that are being harvested, that go before the throne of God.

And they are not the Church. They are the people of Daniel, the seed of the Woman, Israel. The Church is long in heaven, before the seals are opened. You know, pretribulation rapture.

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

I know.

Yes you missed several verses.

 

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

 

The verses in blue are the righteous that are being harvested, that go before the throne of God.

And they are not the Church. They are the people of Daniel, the seed of the Woman, Israel. The Church is long in heaven, before the seals are opened. You know, pretribulation rapture.

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:30


WHAT can we ascertain from the Greek? 

THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU ARE PUTTING FORTH

Allow to grow together
BOTH (Adjective - Accusative Neuter Plural)
until the
harvest (Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular)
and in
the time (Noun - Dative Masculine Singular)
of the (Article - Genitive Masculine Singular)
harvest (Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular)
I will say to
the harvesters (Noun Dative Masculine PLURAL)
Gather first the weeds (PLURAL) and bind them into bundles in order to burn them; and (CONJUNCTION)
the wheat (Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular)
gather together into the barn of me



15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.


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1831 [e]    ἐξῆλθεν
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3485 [e]    ναοῦ,
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2896 [e]    κράζων
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5456 [e]    φωνῇ
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3173 [e]    μεγάλῃ
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3588 [e]    τῷ
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2521 [e]    καθημένῳ
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1909 [e]    ἐπὶ
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3588 [e]    τῆς
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3588 [e]    τὸ
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3754 [e]    ὅτι
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2064 [e]    ἦλθεν
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3588 [e]    ἡ
hē    the    Art-NFS
5610 [e]    ὥρα
hōra    hour    N-NFS    SINGULAR
2325 [e]    θερίσαι,
therisai    to reap,    V-ANA
3754 [e]    ὅτι
hoti    because    Conj
3583 [e]    ἐξηράνθη
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3588 [e]    ὁ
ho    the    Art-NMS
2326 [e]    θερισμὸς
therismos    harvest    N-NMS     SINGULAR
3588 [e]    τῆς
tēs    of the    Art-GFS
1093 [e]    γῆς.
gēs    earth.    N-GFS




We are the light THAT ISN'T PUT UNDER A BASKET

We are the salt that  remains salty and if we don't salt the earth WHAT GOOD ARE WE?

We are to not SEEK to save our lives because we know we are to LOSE IT.



WE ARE SHEEP LED TO THE SLAUGHTER?  Does pre trib allow that to be true?

We are to pick up our cross and follow Him?  Does pre trib allow that to be true?

What are those who follow Jesus promised?  Does pre trib allow that to be true?


What happens when we hear PEACE AND SAFETY?   destruction


What are we supposed to do when they say LO HERE is Christ or there?  Not believe them.  Does pre trib allow that to be true?

NO MATTER WHO YOU POINT TO, it isn't going to be Christ. 
Yet you are pointing to SOMEONE COMING TO SAVE YOU.  And IT CAN'T BE CHRIST.  

We are to SEE the AOD set where he ought not. Does pre trib allow that to be true?

A house divided can not stand.  Does pre trib allow that to be true?

 

[Revelation Man]

9 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:30


WHAT can we ascertain from the Greek? 

THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU ARE PUTTING FORTH

Allow to grow together
BOTH (Adjective - Accusative Neuter Plural)
until the
harvest (Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular)
and in
the time (Noun - Dative Masculine Singular)
of the (Article - Genitive Masculine Singular)
harvest (Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular)
I will say to
the harvesters (Noun Dative Masculine PLURAL)
Gather first the weeds (PLURAL) and bind them into bundles in order to burn them; and (CONJUNCTION)
the wheat (Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular)
gather together into the barn of me

Jesus was sent unto the House of Israel ONLY in his ministry, thus the Wheat represents only Israel. Wheat needs to be be crushed in order to be sifted and harvested, Israel needs to be CRUSHED in order for God to sift and harvest them also, that is what the 70 weeks are designed to do, get Israel to repent, put them through tribulation to force repentance. 

The Church are already in Christ Jesus, we are the Barley, we do not need to be forced to repent (SMILE) we do so during our lives as in now, before the 70th week comes, some individual Jews do also, but not Israel as a whole nation. God demands Israel to repent so He can set up His promised kingdom age, else He is a liar. The Tares in that parable are the Wicked Grapes in the Rev. 14 Harvest chapter. We see the 144,000 (All Jews who repent) are the Wheat, they will rule with Jesus from Jerusalem so they are shown on Mt. Zion, even though when Jesus returns they will be in the Petra/Bozrah area, its prose, showing the 144,000 rule with Jesus from Jerusalem. Then the other End Time Harvest is the Grape Harvest, God will place them in the Wine-press of His Wrath but they will only be judged after the 1000 year reign at the 2nd Resurrection, thus just like the Tares who are bound (placed in a grave) and burned LATER, the Wicked Grapes are killed and will be judged later. Finally, just like in modern movies, God gave us the original FLACHBACK, and in Rev. 14:14 we see Jesus from upon a cloud Harvesting the church (Barley) which needs not to be crushed in order to be sifted. 

The very word Tribulation comes from a Greek word Tribulum, which was a machine that CRUSHED WHEAT !! There is a reason we have answers to all you guys misunderstandings, but you guys can not rebut us on anything. The truth always rises like a fine cream sister. 

[Shilohsfoal]

15 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Jesus was sent unto the House of Israel ONLY in his ministry, thus the Wheat represents only Israel. Wheat needs to be be crushed in order to be sifted and harvested, Israel needs to be CRUSHED in order for God to sift and harvest them also, that is what the 70 weeks are designed to do, get Israel to repent, put them through tribulation to force repentance. 

The Church are already in Christ Jesus, we are the Barley, we do not need to be forced to repent (SMILE) we do so during our lives as in now, before the 70th week comes, some individual Jews do also, but not Israel as a whole nation. God demands Israel to repent so He can set up His promised kingdom age, else He is a liar. The Tares in that parable are the Wicked Grapes in the Rev. 14 Harvest chapter. We see the 144,000 (All Jews who repent) are the Wheat, they will rule with Jesus from Jerusalem so they are shown on Mt. Zion, even though when Jesus returns they will be in the Petra/Bozrah area, its prose, showing the 144,000 rule with Jesus from Jerusalem. Then the other End Time Harvest is the Grape Harvest, God will place them in the Wine-press of His Wrath but they will only be judged after the 1000 year reign at the 2nd Resurrection, thus just like the Tares who are bound (placed in a grave) and burned LATER, the Wicked Grapes are killed and will be judged later. Finally, just like in modern movies, God gave us the original FLACHBACK, and in Rev. 14:14 we see Jesus from upon a cloud Harvesting the church (Barley) which needs not to be crushed in order to be sifted. 

The very word Tribulation comes from a Greek word Tribulum, which was a machine that CRUSHED WHEAT !! There is a reason we have answers to all you guys misunderstandings, but you guys can not rebut us on anything. The truth always rises like a fine cream sister. 

Since your not going to be in tribulation,there would be no reason for you to be taken out of the world.

You can go about living as you are now while the wheat suffers persecution.(tribulation)

 

The following is talking about the wheat.

Daniel 11:33

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.
 

 

This tribulation will be taking place while pre tribulation rapturists are still claiming they will be raptured before this tribulation.

 

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[The Light]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:30


WHAT can we ascertain from the Greek? 

THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU ARE PUTTING FORTH

Allow to grow together
BOTH (Adjective - Accusative Neuter Plural)
until the
harvest (Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular)
and in
the time (Noun - Dative Masculine Singular)
of the (Article - Genitive Masculine Singular)
harvest (Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular)
I will say to
the harvesters (Noun Dative Masculine PLURAL)
Gather first the weeds (PLURAL) and bind them into bundles in order to burn them; and (CONJUNCTION)
the wheat (Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular)
gather together into the barn of me



15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.


2532 [e]    Καὶ
Kai    And    Conj
243 [e]    ἄλλος
allos    another    Adj-NMS
32 [e]    ἄγγελος
angelos    angel    N-NMS
1831 [e]    ἐξῆλθεν
exēlthen    came out    V-AIA-3S
1537 [e]    ἐκ
ek    of    Prep
3588 [e]    τοῦ
tou    the    Art-GMS
3485 [e]    ναοῦ,
naou    temple,    N-GMS
2896 [e]    κράζων
krazōn    crying    V-PPA-NMS
1722 [e]    ἐν
en    in    Prep
5456 [e]    φωνῇ
phōnē    a voice    N-DFS
3173 [e]    μεγάλῃ
megalē    loud    Adj-DFS
3588 [e]    τῷ
tō    to the [One]    Art-DMS
2521 [e]    καθημένῳ
kathēmenō    sitting    V-PPM/P-DMS
1909 [e]    ἐπὶ
epi    on    Prep
3588 [e]    τῆς
tēs    the    Art-GFS
3507 [e]    νεφέλης
nephelēs    cloud,    N-GFS
3992 [e]    Πέμψον
Pempson    Put forth    V-AMA-2S
3588 [e]    τὸ
to    the    Art-ANS
1407 [e]    δρέπανόν
drepanon    sickle    N-ANS
4771 [e]    σου
sou    of You    PPro-G2S
2532 [e]    καὶ
kai    and    Conj
2325 [e]    θέρισον,
therison    reap,    V-AMA-2S
3754 [e]    ὅτι
hoti    because    Conj
2064 [e]    ἦλθεν
ēlthen    has come    V-AIA-3S
3588 [e]    ἡ
hē    the    Art-NFS
5610 [e]    ὥρα
hōra    hour    N-NFS    SINGULAR
2325 [e]    θερίσαι,
therisai    to reap,    V-ANA
3754 [e]    ὅτι
hoti    because    Conj
3583 [e]    ἐξηράνθη
exēranthē    has ripened    V-AIP-3S
3588 [e]    ὁ
ho    the    Art-NMS
2326 [e]    θερισμὸς
therismos    harvest    N-NMS     SINGULAR
3588 [e]    τῆς
tēs    of the    Art-GFS
1093 [e]    γῆς.
gēs    earth.    N-GFS




We are the light THAT ISN'T PUT UNDER A BASKET

We are the salt that  remains salty and if we don't salt the earth WHAT GOOD ARE WE?

We are to not SEEK to save our lives because we know we are to LOSE IT.



WE ARE SHEEP LED TO THE SLAUGHTER?  Does pre trib allow that to be true?

We are to pick up our cross and follow Him?  Does pre trib allow that to be true?

What are those who follow Jesus promised?  Does pre trib allow that to be true?


What happens when we hear PEACE AND SAFETY?   destruction


What are we supposed to do when they say LO HERE is Christ or there?  Not believe them.  Does pre trib allow that to be true?

NO MATTER WHO YOU POINT TO, it isn't going to be Christ. 
Yet you are pointing to SOMEONE COMING TO SAVE YOU.  And IT CAN'T BE CHRIST.  

We are to SEE the AOD set where he ought not. Does pre trib allow that to be true?

A house divided can not stand.  Does pre trib allow that to be true?

 

How many times am I going to have to show you there is more than one harvest?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I just showed you in Revelation 14 the harvest has the righteous harvested 1st. 

[The Light]

42 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

This tribulation will be taking place while pre tribulation rapturists are still claiming they will be raptured before this tribulation.

 

This tribulation will be taking place while pretribulation rapturists are in heaven with the bridegroom as post tribbers are trying to figure out whether it is project blue beam that they see or if aliens have really come and taken people. Since they are still here, they will likely believe the aliens have come.

[Shilohsfoal]

40 minutes ago, The Light said:

This tribulation will be taking place while pretribulation rapturists are in heaven with the bridegroom as post tribbers are trying to figure out whether it is project blue beam that they see or if aliens have really come and taken people. Since they are still here, they will likely believe the aliens have come.

So you believe you are raptured where in Daniel 11?

Exactly where are you raptured in Daniel 11 before the first Christian in Israel is persecuted ?

Provide the verse in Daniel 11 showing your rapture before the tribulation of Daniel 11:33.

 

You believe you are raptured before everyone who names are written in the lambs book.of life in Daniel 12:1?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by Shilohsfoal