The Difficult Sayings Of Jesus

[Starise]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

This is what I spoke about concerning how each of us read the scripture. 

The Promises made in covenants to Abraham is where Israel came from. Not nothing.

Ex 2:24  And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Ex 6:4  And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.
Ex 6:5  And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.
Passover as well as the memorial feast of unleavened bread are memorials to the Abrahamic Gen 15 covenant promises being fulfilled. 

De 7:8  But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

What I intended to say was Israel was a nation that did not come from another nation. They were unique from the start ordained by God.They were not the result of a war or a split kingdom.

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

We see scripture from a different Grid. The mercy and goodness and power of God in the covenant sworn to Abraham is where all of it hangs for my mind.

I agree, so there's still a problem? It all began with that covenant.

 

[Anne2]

25 minutes ago, garee said:

Kings in Israel came about because of the atheist Jew no longer desired to serve  a invisible God as King of kings and Lord of lords reigning over them. . . having become jealous of the surrounding pagan nations  ,God gave them over to do that which thye should not of call the abomination of desolation making our invisible God as King of kings and Lord of lords  in effect . Following the commandments of Men  the oral tradition of fathers or kings .A hifghearchy of men lording it over the understanding or faith of the non venerable .  The first century refomation spoken of in hebrews tore down the walls of separation (both)   

The veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings sitting in the holy of holies   

Satan fell from deceiving all the nations of the world  that God is a Jewish man as King of king Lord of lords Revelation 20:3 . . .Satan giving lying power to the powerless dying flesh  

Sure this may be true, I don't know. I am not talking about the nation of Israel under the Sinai covenant. I am talking about the kings from Abrahams loins and from Sarah. The promise of the seed of the Abrahamic covenant. which covenant he also is made a father of many nations.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Anne2

[Anne2]

11 minutes ago, Starise said:

What I intended to say was Israel was a nation that did not come from another nation. They were unique from the start ordained by God.They were not the result of a war or a split kingdom.

I agree, so there's still a problem? It all began with that covenant.

 

The nation of Israel were not kings. There is the problem. The Sinai covenant did not make them kings as a fulfillment of Genesis 17. 

[Starise]

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The interpretations of the biblical reference is not the same in all the versions, that makes it even more confusing.

Why the need not to follow the original from the Greek. 

And why you have added your own interpretation. As...."than go to hell"...that really gives it a spin and why hell? "go to hell" is a departure from the interpretations of any version of any bible. 

Here is a more complete text from Matthew 5. This was about adultery.

Adultery

²⁷ “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’^[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. ²⁹ If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. ³⁰ And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

[Starise]

3 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

The nation of Israel were not kings. There is the problem. The Sinai covenant did not make them kings as a fulfillment of Genesis 17. 

Ok....................

[Anne2]

1 minute ago, Starise said:

Ok....................

It was a fufillment of the the covenant made in Genesi 15.

Jos. 43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
44  And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
45  There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
 

[garee]

20 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Sure this may be true, I don't know. I am not talking about the nation of Israel under the Sinai covenant. I am talking about the kings from Abrahams loins and from Sarah. The promise of the seed of the Abrahamic covenant. which covenant he also is made a father of many nations.

Thanks I would say kings as fathers like any other nation and lords as family heads  but not the King of kings and Lord of lords  .It's the King of kings that the atheist Jew (1 Samuel 8)  rejected as a unseen God reigning over them. .  God calls them fools. 

1 Samuel 8: 4-7 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them

 

[Anne2]

4 minutes ago, garee said:

Thanks I would say kings as fathers like any other nation and lords as family heads  but not the King of kings and Lord of lords 

I have never read of kings as simply fathers?

Kings were judge over their people.

1Sa 8:5  And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

Solomon took that role, and was famous for his wisdom in making decisions.

1 ki 3:28  And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment.

 

[garee]

17 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

I have never read of kings as simply fathers?

Kings were judge over their people.

1Sa 8:5  And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

Solomon took that role, and was famous for his wisdom in making decisions.

1 ki 3:28  And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment.

 

In the way kings are men and queens are women .

Spoken of as . . Our fathers, our kings, our princes and queens   "the earthly government called "royal family"

A human form of government after the oral traditons of men that do make the traditions of God  (all thing written  in His book of prophecy making it without effect.In that way no man can serve two good teachings masters as one Lord of all lords 

You could say a false idea  for the women like that of Jezebel who hated the God of the scripture . women desiring equal rites a female deity with full knowledge of thier husbands . . refusing the hear the gospel informing resisting the Holy Spirit They did it there way  looking for freedom but were only bond tighter in their sin 

The first century reformation has come  .A time like never before or ever again  a gospel explosion  feeling the effects even today  

Jerimiah 44: 15-19 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying, As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. (no gospel) And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

 Wrong kind of women lib . .   earthy governments of mankind     

 

  

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, garee said:

In the way kings are men and queens are women .

Spoken of as . . Our fathers, our kings, our princes and queens   "the earthly government called "royal family"

Where is this found in scripture?

We have the covenants which the women are allegories?

Paul calls it hearing the law.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22  For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23  But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
 

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Anne2