Revisting Eze 38 and 39 - When?

[dad2]

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you believe them who are resurected and do not suffer a second death will die a second death.When exactly do you claim the priests of God will be killed and who do you claim kills them? You believe Gog shall kill them?

 

Who is resurrected in Eze 38 and 39? As for the witnesses in the end, we are told they die and are resurrected. That is news?

[dad2]

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I'm looking at where God says they are safe.I don't pay attention to what men say about being safe.

This is the word of God and it is eternal.God says they are safe after they have been resurected from the dead in Ezekiel 37 and God has placed a king over them.Just so you know,the king God has made king of Israel is Jesus Christ.

 

The context is an evil king thinking about invading Israel. The thoughts in the head of a probably possessed king are not declarations of God! God says they will be safe after they come to Him and He protects them. Not before.

[dad2]

2 hours ago, other one said:

but my question was about the Who....   Why?   Because I was driven to know...

I see. Maybe I'll go back and look at that and guess if I get time

[Shilohsfoal]

1 minute ago, dad2 said:

Who is resurrected in Eze 38 and 39? As for the witnesses in the end, we are told they die and are resurrected. That is news?

Israel is resurected before Ezekiel 38-39.

Israel is resurected in Ezekiel 37..

Israel continues to live in the land of Israel in Ezekiel 38-39 after they are resurected in Ezekiel 37.

These people coming up out of their graves are those who are resurected.

 

Ezekiel 37

⁷ So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

⁸ And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

⁹ Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

¹⁰ So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

¹¹ Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

 

¹² Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

¹³ And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

¹⁴ And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

[Shilohsfoal]

4 minutes ago, dad2 said:

The context is an evil king thinking about invading Israel. The thoughts in the head of a probably possessed king are not declarations of God! God says they will be safe after they come to Him and He protects them. Not before.

No,The word of God says Israel is safe after they have come up out of their graves and he has put his spirit in them in chapter 37.

They don't die a second death.

[dad2]

26 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Israel is resurected before Ezekiel 38-39.

Israel is resurected in Ezekiel 37..

Israel continues to live in the land of Israel in Ezekiel 38-39 after they are resurected in Ezekiel 37.

These people coming up out of their graves are those who are resurected.

 

Evil kings actually do not invade countries composed of resurrected people. Once He saves them no one will ever touch them again. They will bow down in the dust offering to lick their feet. You are confused in your timelines.

[dad2]

26 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No,The word of God says Israel is safe after they have come up out of their graves and he has put his spirit in them in chapter 37.

They don't die a second death.

Once He raises them and saves them, no enemy will ever bother them and they will be helping Him rule. If a leader invades them that tells us that it is before they are saved. Certainly.

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

Evil kings actually do not invade countries composed of resurrected people. Once He saves them no one will ever touch them again. They will bow down in the dust offering to lick their feet. You are confused in your timelines.

So you say revelation of Jesus Christ is wrong.Because revelation say Gog is most certainly in Israel and surrounds the camp of the saints at Jerusalem 1000 years after the first resurection.

Revelation 20

 

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

 

You know,I don't believe God is wrong.I believe you are.

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

Once He raises them and saves them, no enemy will ever bother them and they will be helping Him rule. If a leader invades them that tells us that it is before they are saved. Certainly.

Again.Revelation of Jesus Christ says Gog and his vast army surrounds the resurected saints in Israel.

Revelation ,20

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

 

 I don't say it bothers Israel in the slightest.The resurected saints of Israel already knows what is going to happen before it does anyway.

Edited October 9, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[WilliamL]

19 hours ago, dad2 said:

Looking at your post I saw no reason given why Eze 38 and 39 must be before the tribulation. Explain?

Me either. I answered the question of your former post, which was:

"So-can anyone make a case that the invasion is some time other than the end of the tribulation?"

And what my post shows is that Ezek. 38-39 will take place well after the GT. Maybe you better read the part about the Seals again.