Reformed Restriction

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

Just now, Michael37 said:

I followed your lead into discussing the above content, but before that I was just curious to learn more about the point of your input.

I thought my capitalization made things obvious, and the verses could not be clearer, since it is already established that the Word that was with God and was God was made flesh, those scriptures don't need to contradict the fact that Jesus OF God, since he is the Son OF God, that he come OUT OF GOD, and that he was SENT FROM God, and that he WAS NOT of this world and CAME DOWN from heaven.

It even shows God created the world by him and includes the verse "the world was made by him" but knew him not.

Not sure how the trinity could be in danger by this

[Marilyn C]

8 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

I followed your lead into discussing the above content, but before that I was just curious to learn more about the point of your input.

Hi Michael,

If you look back you will see that FOF was just quoting scriptures that backed up what I said. That is what she wrote - scriptures to back up what I wrote. 

Hope that helps. 

[Michael37]

14 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

are not the three forums, worthychristianforums.com, christianforums.com and christianforums.net owned together by one?

I don't know why you would think that. 

In my web surfing I have not found the name of George Whitten who owns this site, associated with any other Christian Forums.

Some claim the other two sites you mention are owned by atheists who buy up Christian Forums to sow discontent.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

3 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Michael,

If you look back you will see that FOF was just quoting scriptures that backed up what I said. That is what she wrote - scriptures to back up what I wrote. 

Hope that helps. 

He was quoting the second longer post behind the one I posted to yours, which I was just adding to help others know where to look if they wanted to know where to find these things, I actually like helping out that way, but it wanted to know the point of my third post behind it, for some reason that triggered a need to respond and was out of place, and maybe it was I haven't understood yet why.

Thanks Sis

[Michael37]

6 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Michael,

If you look back you will see that FOF was just quoting scriptures that backed up what I said. That is what she wrote - scriptures to back up what I wrote. 

Hope that helps. 

That's all she needed to say, but interesting chat anyway. All good.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

2 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

I don't know why you would think that. 

In my web surfing I have not found the name of George Whitten who owns this site, associated with any other Christian Forums.

Some claim the other two sites you mention are owned by atheists who buy up Christian Forums to sow discontent.

I wouldn't doubt it at all. Okay I will leave it alone.

[Marilyn C]

1 minute ago, AFlameOfFire said:

He was quoting the second longer post behind the one I posted to yours, which I was just adding to help others know where to look if they wanted to know where to find these things, I actually like helping out that way, but it wanted to know the point of my third post behind it, for some reason that triggered a need to respond and was out of place, and maybe it was I haven't understood yet why.

Thanks Sis

Yes, talking on the internet can be difficult. i have `seen` your heart` and what you believe and was very thankful that you actually wrote out all those important scriptures to counter the error of the OP.

Well done, dear sis, Marilyn.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

4 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Yes, talking on the internet can be difficult. i have `seen` your heart` and what you believe and was very thankful that you actually wrote out all those important scriptures to counter the error of the OP.

Well done, dear sis, Marilyn.

Exactly, and the reason I do not speak freely is because even if you just post the scripture there is misunderstanding so I will typically lay things out using as much of the word of God without saying much of myself, but I always loved to see where someone might be getting a thing from so I am thinking other people may feel the same way I do and so if you can line it up "just so" you can sometimes hit it out of the park and prove a thing by scripture only.

Besides, I sort of count doing that as equipping younger Christians with the word of God so that they too can defend it, then you have more people on your team for Christ.

Thanks for being you Sis

 

 

[Truswell]

8 hours ago, Michael37 said:

I don't know why you would think that. 

In my web surfing I have not found the name of George Whitten who owns this site, associated with any other Christian Forums.

Some claim the other two sites you mention are owned by atheists who buy up Christian Forums to sow discontent.

There is a lot of discontent on those forums I agree, but I don't think it is deliberate, just that their views are not my own, but that might be my fault. We shall see.

By the way, I don't find the Trinity hard to explain, I just point out that we are tripartite beings made in the image of God, in body, soul, and spirit, the same as God, but without His power.

Does that make sense?

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Edited November 10, 2023 by Truswell

[other one]

On 11/7/2023 at 2:25 PM, WordSword said:

There is only one God, the Son and Spirit are of God , but they are not God. The Father is the only God. Christ said that the Father is His Father and that God is His God (Jhn 20:17), hence that Jesus is the Son of  Father or of God; and the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of the Father (Mat 10:20) or of God. This answers to why we never see Scripture say Jesus is "God and Father" (2Co 11:31; Eph 1:3; Eph 4:6; 1Pe 1:3).

 

All references to the Lord Jesus being God or the Father is only in the sense of representation of the Father or God (Col 2:9).

 

 

You do understand that Jesus and Yahweh are the same being, I hope anyway.

I think the problem we are having between us is what that word God/god means.  Rememmber that Hebrew has no caps and the Greek manuscripts were in all caps, so in written form there isn't any difference between God and god.

The capitol G's are the product of translators using the "G" when pertaining to any or all three of the trinity.     As for which is in charge, right now the Father and Jesus are equal.  The Holy Spirit is just communicating between us and them.  However the Holy Spirit's duty is so critical that if you blaspheme him, there is no forgiveness for it and it's off to the fires with you. (not meaning you specifically)

Anything can be a persons god.    Moloch, Baal, trees, nature if you are wiccan or a tree huger.  I have a couple of acquaintances that their god is themselves.

To us as Christians we have a god that is plural.  Three of them working as a single thing that we worship and trust.

I do understand that when all of God's enemies are underfoot and defeated, Jesus will submit himself to the Father, which would place things in a different state.   We must remember that Jesus didn't find it any great thing to be equal with the Father and lowered himself to be a human. In the days of Noah and Moses he was equal with the Father.  While here in the flesh as Jesus he had willingly sat aside  his glory/authority in things, but was had them back at his resurrection.   He used his authority again.

Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Father are one in the same sense that he wants us to be one with him so through him we can be one with the Father.

That's something to ponder.