1948 is not a Sign of the Coming of Jesus.

[Stewardofthemystery]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes, Israel the nation must be in the land. I'm not saying this isn't a prophecy or that is wasn't fulfilled; it is not one of the things Jesus said to look for to indicate the nearness of His coming. There are plenty of things we are told to look for, we seem to ignore them.

If you look at that prophecy I posted in Zech. it contains a couple of things that were prophesied in other parts of scripture that happen right after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Notice….

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, “the spirit of grace”and of supplications: and “they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,”and they shall “mourn for him,” as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great “mourning in Jerusalem,” as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12 And the land shall “mourn,” every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;”

The spirit of grace that is yet to be poured out on Israel is the prophecy Paul spoke of when he said “ ungodliness shall be removed from Jacob”. This sign of the Holy Spirit being poured out on Israel is also the sign of the “sealing” of the 12 tribes of Israel as shown in the Revelation.

Also notice the prophecy of them “looking on me whom they had pierced” and the tribes of the earth “mourning.” This also has to do with the coming of the Lord.

Revelation 1:7

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eyeshall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

 

The tribes of Israel will be mourning, or wailing as it says in the prophecy in Zechariah 12.

 

Jesus confirms this prophecy here…

 

Matthew 24:30

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all “the tribes of the earth mourn,”and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

 

So though the fullness of the Gentiles is yet future ( 6th seal signs) after that God shall pour out His Spirit on the 12 tribes of Israel, and they shall be in mourning when they realize that Jesus Christ was the Messiah.

 

 

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

Ezekiel 37:22 was not fulfilled in 1948.

Ezekiel 37:1-15 is about actual resurrection.
 

The Bible declares what will happen before
the Lord returns to resurrect and restore Israel.

"Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren,
the men of thy kindred,
are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said,
get you far from the Lord, unto us is this land given in possession."
Ezekiel 11:15

Son of man, set thy face against mount Sir, and prophesy against it.

Because you have a perpetual hatred, and has shed the blood
of the children of Israel by the force of the sword
in the time of their calamity, in the time their iniquity had come to an end.
(when they started to accept the Messiah)
Ezekiel 35:5

Because you have said, these two nations and these two countries
shall be mine, and we will posses it, even though the Lord was there.
Ezekiel 35:10

...all the blasphemies which you have spoken against the mountains of Israel
saying, they are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.

Thus says the Lord God, When the whole earth rejoices,
I will make you desolate.
Ezekiel 35:12,14

 

And I hated Esau and laid his mountains and his heritage waste.

Whereas Edom says, We are impoverished,
but let us return and build the desolate places.
Thus says the Lord, they may build but I will throw down

I will be a swift witness against... false swearers...
and them that turn aside the stranger from his right,
because they do not fear me says the Lord
Malachi 1:3-4, 3:5

Them that say; stand over there by yourself
because I am holier than thou,
these cause my wrath to smoke
a fire that will burn all the day. [2 Peter 3:8-12]

Isaiah 65:5
 

Esau... you should not have gloated over your brother
in the day that he became a stranger [Deuteronomy 28:43-44]

you should not have entered into the gates of my people
in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands
on his substance

Neither should you have stood in the crossroads
to cut off those of his that did escape
neither should you have made captive
those of his that did remain.

For the day of the Lord is near

Deliverers shall come up on mount Zion
to judge the mount of Esau
and the kingdom shall be the Lords
Obadiah 1:6,12,13,14,15,21

 

Ezekiel 35 = Esau is in Israel.

Ezekiel 36 = Prophecy that bloodshed in the land will cease.

Ezekiel 37:1-15 = Resurrections
Ezekiel 37:15-24 = Reign of the Messiah
Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog.

 

Revelation 20:4-5 = Resurrections
Revelation 20:5-7 = Reign of the Messiah
Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog

 

 

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"...of the hope and resurrection of the dead
am I called in question"
Acts 23:6-8

"And now I stand and am judged for the hope
of the promise made of God unto our fathers
unto which promise our twelve tribes
earnestly serving God day and night
hope to come"
"Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you
that God should raise the dead?"
Acts 26:5-8

Paul refers to a promise of resurrection
made by God unto the nation of Israel as a whole.

The only such promise in the Bible is Ezekiel 37:10-12
"breath upon these slain that they may live"
"I will open up your graves and bring you up out of your graves"

 

Ezekiel 37:22 has not happened yet. Israel has not been restored yet.
Resurrections happen at the restoration of Israel,
God will restore all righteous Israel from even death,
and place them in their land.

We who are alive and remain shall be caught up together
with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air

An exceedingly great army  [Ezekiel 37:9-10, Jude 1:14-15, Rev 19]
from the four winds [Ezekiel 37:9-10, Matthew 24:31]
coming down to judge and reign with Christ.

 

 

 

[douggg]

4 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Since you believe God has already opened Israeli graves and placed his holy spirit in them and returned them to the land of Israel,then you must believe Benjamin netanyahu is Israel's king forever.

After all these things that take place in Ezekiel 37 ,then Ezekiel 38 takes place.

No, it is not that everything in Ezekiel 37 takes place and then Ezekiel 38-39 takes place.

Ezekiel 37 speaks metaphorically of the land of Israel being void of Jews, a place of dried up bones, but God brings Jews back to the land of Israel to become a nation again.

And not a divided kingdom, north and south, but one unified kingdom.    Not ruled by two kings, north and south,  but one king as the nation will again be one unified kingdom..

Those things have been fulfilled.   May 14, 1948.

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The Ezekiel 37:25 prophecy regarding David my servant as their prince forever is referring to Jesus - which is still future when Jesus returns - which is in Ezekiel 39:21-29, 7 years after Gog/Magog.

1948 - Israel a nation again in the land.

1967 - Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews, base year for the parable of the fig tree generation.

???? - Gog/Magog event, in the latter days, latter years, Ezekiel 39:1-16

7 years later...

Armageddon event - Ezekiel 39:17-20

Jesus's return - Ezekiel 39:21-29   not later than the end of 2037.

Final gathering of all of the house of Israel back to the land of Israel - Ezekiel 39:28

 

 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by douggg

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, douggg said:

No, it is not that everything in Ezekiel 37 takes place and then Ezekiel 38-39 takes place.

Ezekiel 37 speaks metaphorically of the land of Israel being void of Jews, a place of dried up bones, but God brings Jews back to the land of Israel to become a nation again.

And not a divided kingdom, north and south, but one unified kingdom.    Not ruled by two kings, north and south,  but one king as the nation will again be one unified kingdom..

Those things have been fulfilled.   May 14, 1948.

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The Ezekiel 37:25 prophecy regarding David my servant as their prince forever is referring to Jesus - which is still future when Jesus returns - which is in Ezekiel 39:21-29, 7 years after Gog/Magog.

1948 - Israel a nation again in the land.

1967 - Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews, base year for the parable of the fig tree generation.

???? - Gog/Magog event, in the latter days, latter years, Ezekiel 39:1-16

7 years later...

Armageddon event - Ezekiel 39:17-20

Jesus's return - Ezekiel 39:21-29   not later than the end of 2037.

Final gathering of all of the house of Israel back to the land of Israel - Ezekiel 39:28

 

 

 

 

False

Ezekiel talks about God forming flesh on dried bones and covering those bones.Then God bring them out of their graves and put his holy spirit in them.Then he brings them into their own land and places a king over them forever.

God says exactly what he will do but you don't believe him.

But you believed the lie that the beast which calls itself  Israel and them who deny Christ followed after the beast you believe to be God's chosen people.

 

 

37 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

² And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

³ And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.

⁴ Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.

⁵ Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

 

⁶ And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

⁷ So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

⁸ And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

⁹ Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

¹⁰ So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

 

¹¹ Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

¹² Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

¹³ And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

¹⁴ And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

¹⁵ The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

 

¹⁶ Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

¹⁷ And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

¹⁸ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

¹⁹ Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

²⁰ And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

 

²¹ And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

²² And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

²³ Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

²⁴ And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

 

²⁵ And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

²⁶ Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

²⁷ My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

²⁸ And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

[Vine Abider]

So let me copy this over from another thread, as it might apply here.

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Well if you take Matt  24:32-34, you have the fig tree sprouting it leaves.  He says by this "you know that summer is near."  Summer is when heat is turned up.  Summer is when fruit ripens (first fruits often just before summer, or at the very beginning) and is harvested.  He says in vs 33 that then "He is near, right at the door."

Then vs 34 says, "This generation will not pass away until all these things come to pass."

So some say that the fig tree's leaves sprouting is Israel becoming a nation in 1948.  Then we're told in Psalm 90:10 that a person's life is given to be 70 years, or 80 if by reason of strength.  So therefore, 1948 + 80 years is 2028.

Some would say that this whole passage in Matt 24 was already fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.  But it certainly does seem to refer to many end-of-the-age things as well.

 

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

False

Ezekiel talks about God forming flesh on dried bones and covering those bones.Then God bring them out of their graves and put his holy spirit in them.Then he brings them into their own land and places a king over them forever.

God says exactly what he will do but you don't believe him.

But you believed the lie that the beast which calls itself  Israel and them who deny Christ followed after the beast you believe to be God's chosen people.

It does not say Holy Spirit in the text.    The spirit being referred to is the spirit of life.  That is to say they came back alive.     Just as, there will be the resurrection of the dead for the Great White Throne judgment.   Those resurrected for that judgment will have the spirit of life returned to their resurrected bodies.    And them whose names are not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire - called the second death.

I believe what God says He will do - but I don't believe your false interpretation of the end times bible prophecies... such as your calling Israel a beast.

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

So some say that the fig tree's leaves sprouting is Israel becoming a nation in 1948.  Then we're told in Psalm 90:10 that a person's life is given to be 70 years, or 80 if by reason of strength.  So therefore, 1948 + 80 years is 2028.

2028 in that interpretation would mean that the the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 would have to had begun in 2021.    Didn't happen.

The correct combination is based on Jerusalem being the fig tree, back in the hand of the Jews in 1967.

1967 + 70 years = 2037  minus the 7 years... Gog/Magog must begin no later than the end of 2030.

Gog/Magog, then the 7 years, then Armageddon, Jesus's return.   All in Ezekiel 39.

Gog/Magog... Ezekiel 39:1-16

Armageddon... Ezekiel 39:17-20

Jesus's return... Ezekiel 39:21-29                                                                                                        

 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by douggg

[Vine Abider]

13 minutes ago, douggg said:

2028 in that interpretation would mean that the the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 would have to had begun in 2021.    Didn't happen.

The correct combination is based on Jerusalem being the fig tree, back in the hand of the Jews in 1967.

1967 + 70 years = 2037  minus the 7 years... Gog/Magog must begin no later than the end of 2030.

Gog/Magog, then the 7 years, then Armageddon, Jesus's return.   All in Ezekiel 39.

Gog/Magog... Ezekiel 39:1-16

Armageddon... Ezekiel 39:17-20

Jesus's return... Ezekiel 39:21-29                                                                                                        

 

 

I think I'd heard that before regarding Jerusalem in their hands (1967), but forgot.  Or if by reason of strength (Psalm 90) 80 years = 2040

[douggg]

38 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

I think I'd heard that before regarding Jerusalem in their hands (1967), but forgot.  Or if by reason of strength (Psalm 90) 80 years = 2040

It may turn out to be not later than 2040 if the 80 years turns out to be correct.   But, imo, the 2030 year, no later than for the Gog/Magog event seems likely.  

And may be very soon, considering what is going on Israel.    Not for certain, but may happen.     The situation over there is very volatile.

Edited November 1, 2023 by douggg

[Shilohsfoal]

55 minutes ago, douggg said:

It does not say Holy Spirit in the text.    The spirit being referred to is the spirit of life.  That is to say they came back alive.     Just as, there will be the resurrection of the dead for the Great White Throne judgment.   Those resurrected for that judgment will have the spirit of life returned to their resurrected bodies.    And them whose names are not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire - called the second death.

I believe what God says He will do - but I don't believe your false interpretation of the end times bible prophecies... such as your calling Israel a beast.

The great white throne judgement takes place after Gog has been destroyed.

Ezekiel 37 is about the first resurection that takes place 1000 years before Gog comes against the kingdom of Israel.

 

I suppose since you believe the Jews following the beast into the promised land is the resurection, then it might be hard for you to understand people coming out of their graves at the coming of Christ as being the first resurection.

 

And just so you know.The spirit of God is holy.

 

¹² Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

¹³ And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

¹⁴ And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

John 5

²⁸ “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice ²⁹ and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.