Eating Unclean Food Is an Abomination to the Lord!

[FJK]

3 minutes ago, other one said:

If you live his two laws you are not free to do anything bad or evil. 

That is being under law, which would make being under Grace meaning being under some law but not other law?  It is the Law that defines what is bad and evil.

Do we get to choose which to obey and which to ignore?

This is something I have debated with myself or years, and never reached a final conclusion.

[other one]

5 minutes ago, FJK said:

That is being under law, which would make being under Grace meaning being under some law but not other law?  It is the Law that defines what is bad and evil.

Do we get to choose which to obey and which to ignore?

This is something I have debated with myself or years, and never reached a final conclusion.

No it is not, like I said with the Holy Spirit you will not want to.   If you don't have the Holy Spirit you are not saved nor under grace.

[FJK]

10 minutes ago, other one said:

No it is not, like I said with the Holy Spirit you will not want to.   If you don't have the Holy Spirit you are not saved nor under grace.

So if you find yourself violating the law, something minor maybe, like disobeying your parents or sleeping with someone other than your spouse, you don't have the holy spirit and aren't saved?

Since Jesus set the standard as being what you do in your thoughts, what about having thoughts of doing those things, would that mean you don't have the holy spirit and aren't saved?  After all, you wanted to even if you didn't.

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, FJK said:

That's true, but does being under Grace actually mean?

Are we freed from the law to do anything we wish without penalty?

This merits a good deal of thought.

"All things are lawful, yet not all things are profitable"  1 Cor 10:23  To me what Paul was saying is this:  There's no condemnation in Christ, period.  The Christian will NOT be condemned for sin (breaking the law) anymore, as this was all judged in Christ.  However, if we do things that are "off the mark" it may not be profitable, that is, there is not good building in God's house for it, and that work will be burnt up.

This is a pretty hard pill for the natural man to swallow, as in the natural we truly think we have to do something for God (i.e., religion).  But in reality, we don't have to do anything, except believe and trust in Christ and His operation in us and working outside of us.  

Could it be that simple!?  That's what I read in scripture.

[Know Jah]

I don't think the Law Covenant is binding on Christians for Christ said he nailed it to the stake. Don't think any Christians sacrifice animals today. We live by the law of the Christ. The Law was a tutor leading to Christ so states scripture

[FJK]

7 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

There's no condemnation in Christ, period.  The Christian will NOT be condemned for sin (breaking the law) anymore, as this was all judged in Christ. 

Would this mean we're free to do anything we want to do without worry?

God secondary to, say, government, money, fleshly desire, Satan?

Idolatry?

Cursing in God's name and other witchcraft practices?

No Holy day of worship observed?

Disrespect and disobedience toward parents?

Murdering those you don't like, or maybe just for the fun of it?

Promiscuity, prostitution, homosexuality, transvestism, all forms of sexual perversions?

Theft of what you want from whomever you want to steal it from?

Lying about other people and giving false testimony against them?

Jelousy of the positions and lives of other people?

 

Maybe you're right about this, much of the Church today seems to be going in that direction and even the Pope seems to be approving of much of it.

I've known many people that advocate this in the name of Jesus, no need to repent because your and the world's sins already forgiven.

Grace, no more need to be obedient to God, total freedom from the Law, just say "Lord. Lord" and everything gets approved by God for forgiveness and you're on the way to heaven.

Sorry, but I don't agree with that and think this is the major problem with why the Church has no power above and often less than worldly power today.

[NConly]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Fair enough. Thank you for your honesty. Go well bro.

Many see things differently as in Rom 14: 15

15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. I am not putting down your view.

My view is very long and I will shorten it as best I can.

Acceptable

11 Corin 5:9

9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

 

All Power

Matt 28: 18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 1:1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

11 Corin 5:10

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

John 5:22-23

22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

 

Jesus was sent to the lost sheep Israel and they rejected him and his teachings.

So some of the ones He hand picked and taught were sent to the Nations. Gentiles

Matt 28:19-20

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

what was it Jesus commanded

Eph 2:1315But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near in the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two.

Cols 2:14

And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having cancelled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Heb 7:17-19

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Gal 3:22-25

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

Romans 13: 8-10

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

 

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

Romans 3:21

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

 

 

 

 

 

[Anne2]

3 hours ago, FJK said:

Would this mean we're free to do anything we want to do without worry?

God secondary to, say, government, money, fleshly desire, Satan?

Idolatry?

Cursing in God's name and other witchcraft practices?

No Holy day of worship observed?

Disrespect and disobedience toward parents?

Murdering those you don't like, or maybe just for the fun of it?

Promiscuity, prostitution, homosexuality, transvestism, all forms of sexual perversions?

Theft of what you want from whomever you want to steal it from?

Lying about other people and giving false testimony against them?

Jelousy of the positions and lives of other people?

 

Maybe you're right about this, much of the Church today seems to be going in that direction and even the Pope seems to be approving of much of it.

I've known many people that advocate this in the name of Jesus, no need to repent because your and the world's sins already forgiven.

Grace, no more need to be obedient to God, total freedom from the Law, just say "Lord. Lord" and everything gets approved by God for forgiveness and you're on the way to heaven.

Sorry, but I don't agree with that and think this is the major problem with why the Church has no power above and often less than worldly power today.

The nations had law apart from Moses. Moses law rather "retained" universal Law to all men. An example of retaining law of which the nations were judged by. Before Moses it was sin to them.

Romans teaches what the church calls natural law, Judaism calls universal law. They knew God...

Abimelech an example of a God fearing Gentile Like Noah

In the time of Abraham......

Ge 20:11  And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife’s sake.
 

Gen 20:3  But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man’s wife.
4  But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
5  Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.
6  And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
7  Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine.
Moses father in law counseled him on setting up a justice system. He listened to him and did so.

 

Lev 18:24  Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25  And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

Again, what the nations were judged by...
27  (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28  That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
29  For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
 

As Judaism teaches. the seventh in Noachide law is this (from Chabad org.)

"7. Establish courts of law and ensure justice in our world." 

 

This was to adjudicate the violation of the previous six don't you think?.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Anne2

[Sower]

Eating Unclean Food Is an Abomination to the Lord!

     It's not what I put into my mouth that is problem, today.

It is what comes out of my mouth that our Lord is concerned with.

          My tongue, not my belly.
            

[other one]

7 hours ago, FJK said:

So if you find yourself violating the law, something minor maybe, like disobeying your parents or sleeping with someone other than your spouse, you don't have the holy spirit and aren't saved?

Since Jesus set the standard as being what you do in your thoughts, what about having thoughts of doing those things, would that mean you don't have the holy spirit and aren't saved?  After all, you wanted to even if you didn't.

No, if you are sleeping with someone other than your wife, you do not have the Holy Spirit and all that goes with that.   If you want to do those things, I would say it would be safe to say the Holy Spirit is not leading your life.   I've been married 53 years and never wanted to sleep with anyone else.