Revelation is a Book of Love!

[AnOrangeCat]

3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

We will have a global cashless system by 2030, as outlined and implemented by central banks and some countries right now, under the UN Agenda 2030. Please think of the benefits and selling points: no more robberies for cash, how drug cartels will operate, how addicts get their fixes, no bank robberies or yanking ATMs out of their place, and so forth. What is not to like?

This is one that I've noticed too, though I don't know about a date. Some areas are going to be more resistant to the idea than others. Canada at least was considering government issued cryptocurrency with an expiration date. Smells like a setup for a daily allotment of currency.

 

3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I can not immediately recall the DNA geneticist's name, but she boldly and candidly went on the record and stated <1% of DNA alteration, and we are not fully human. Could this have something to do with those who receive the MOB having no chance of forgiveness and redemption? They are irrevocably damned?

Yes, my long ramblings put me to sleep, too.

I've heard similar. We're about 96% similar to chimps and 60% similar to bananas IIRC. I enjoyed the rambling though, interesting stuff and at least to me it's a point of Christian fellowship. Coincidentally I'm also going to sleep in about half an hour!

[Marilyn C]

8 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

That is basically how I see it playing out . . .  I/we have received some fresh light in going through these chapters (9-11) of Romans this time.  For me, it's been mainly about seeing the proper perspective for Israel, and that it - in the end - is a mystery as to exactly why God is doing it this way!  But that's part of the wonder of knowing God, isn't it?  If things He does didn't have some unsearchable aspect to them, and we were able to understand Him and His actions fully, then I suppose He wouldn't be God!

That`s great we agree so far. Now....God made the nations and we know that some out of them will come under Israel`s rulership in the millennium. 

Man will then have dominion over the earth and Satan wont be around to cause havoc. 

So.... why did God make the Body of Christ if all is sorted out, or is it?

(And no `get out of jail card,` ie, God`s ways are unsearchable so we don`t know. )

[Anne2]

20 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi VA,

Interesting that your group was discussing this too. Maybe God is highlighting some truth here. Now, thank you for asking.

When looking at questions I always start from God`s perspective, His Purpose. And that He says is to make Christ preeminent in all things. (Col. 1: 18b)

Thus, God has Christ`s Rulership as His predominant focus. Yes, an `operation` is needed but that is just the `means to the end.`

1.Man in the beginning developed sinfully, and as you rightly said till it has `run its course.` Gen. 6: 5 `that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.`

 

2.After the flood God gave man governing responsibility and the nations developed. (Gen. 9: 5 & 6) God knew that no government or ruler of man would rule righteously continually. Thus, God set about to make His own nation who would govern the nations righteously.

Starting small, (as you said previously) with a man, then a family, tribe and finally a nation, called Israel. And God knew that even though He would do wonders in the eyes of His nation that they would rebel against Him. This again reveals that man has no capability to rule righteously.

Finally, Israel`s national rebellion came to a head when they had their righteous ruler crucified. God then sent them into exile while He set about making another group for rulership.

 

3.After the tribulation. However, God did not cast away His nation of Israel, for He knew that man has no capacity to rule righteously. Thus, their righteous ruler (Christ) will set about Atonement for them. (Deut. 32: 43) After the tribulation the Spirit of Grace will come upon those in Israel and they will receive their righteous Ruler. (Zech. 12: 7 – 10)

The nations will have come to a head receiving Satan`s evil rulership and will thus be judged. Those of the nations who looked after the Jews will go into the time of God`s righteous rulership over the nations.

 

Any questions or comments?

Also, I still have another question.

 

 

 

 

Hi Marilyn. I think Israel is vessel that keeps God's holy, righteous and good judgment on this earth. How he will end it all I don't know but, Israel  keeps it's force .

1 ¶  What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2  Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3  For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
5  But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6  God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

 Judgement of the wicked is to everyone's benefit. The world will be judged on how it treats Israel. Like he did from the day they left Egypt.

Isn't this really the same thing going on today with Israel. They simply asked for peace....

De 20:10  When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
De 20:11  And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
De 20:12  And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:
De 23:6  Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy days for ever.
 

 

[Vine Abider]

16 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

That`s great we agree so far. Now....God made the nations and we know that some out of them will come under Israel`s rulership in the millennium. 

Man will then have dominion over the earth and Satan wont be around to cause havoc. 

So.... why did God make the Body of Christ if all is sorted out, or is it?

(And no `get out of jail card,` ie, God`s ways are unsearchable so we don`t know. )

Not totally clear on your question . . . but He is intent on bringing many sons to glory, in the image of the Prototype Son, Jesus!

[Neighbor]

51 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Prototype

prótotokos First born, of many to come? 

[Neighbor]

"So.... why did God make the Body of Christ if all is sorted out, or is it?"

Butting in here for just amoment from the peanut gallery- It is indeed  all "sorted out"  All foreknown and predestined by God to  and for those that believe on Jesus as Lord God and personal savior.

Why? To please himself.  “And God saw that it was good”

[Anne2]

51 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

prótotokos First born, of many to come? 

Firstborn in scripture is the one that receives double portion of inheritance above his brothers.

I think maybe

A share in the earthly kingdom along with his (of nature) fellowheirs, and a share in the heavenly kingdom (of promise)?

Edited December 2, 2023 by Anne2

[Eli1]

I think Revelation is a book of Hope or Joy or Relief. 

Finally, God is here with us!

[Marilyn C]

5 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Not totally clear on your question . . . but He is intent on bringing many sons to glory, in the image of the Prototype Son, Jesus!

Hi VA,

I so agree - `bringing many sons to glory.` And that is in the highest where the Father has seated His son -

`far above all.... not only in this age and also in that which is to come.` (Eph. 1: 21)

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne..` (Rev. 3: 21)

So, there is another rulership as well as Israel on earth. Finally, in all of God`s great kingdom there will be rulership in every realm all under the Lord Jesus Christ. 

That is God`s great purpose - Christ to be preeminent in ALL things. His righteous rulership over and through ALL.

Taking out the `tumor` is only a means to the end of Christ`s righteous rulership over many sons - on earth, in the NJ and in the highest. 

 

[Marilyn C]

4 hours ago, Neighbor said:

"So.... why did God make the Body of Christ if all is sorted out, or is it?"

Butting in here for just amoment from the peanut gallery- It is indeed  all "sorted out"  All foreknown and predestined by God to  and for those that believe on Jesus as Lord God and personal savior.

Why? To please himself.  “And God saw that it was good”

Job said - `the heavens are not pure in His sight.` (Job 15: 15)

And - `He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. ` (1 Cor. 15: 24 - 26)

Christ won the victory, conquered death and hell, and then went on to outwork that authority and power over all rule, authority and power.