Suicidal cowards?

[Marathoner]

11 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

Also i just thought i would mention that according to our National statistics there are over 8000 Veterans who commit suicide every year, and over 5000 of them are over 50 years old, meaning it had been a lingering issue that they finally just couldn't deal with anymore, which makes it that much more tragic, and you would think the V.A. would have been able to do something for them as far as counseling,medication/treatment,etc., but apparently not?!

The problem is more complex than that. There's a culture of silence among military veterans; many do not seek help. I work with military veterans virtually every day. 

[CaptWalker]

Well I guess that would explain why there are so many suicides among Veterans. I really cant blame them for not seeking help when even many so-called "counselors" that you would pay $$$ to see are really not very good. So I can only imagine what some of the free services that the VA offers would be like? But then again maybe it's just simple pride and feeling like you should be able to deal with any mental problems from having been in combat, since after all they did a hell of a good job just to make it through all that, but i never served so am really only guessing.

Edited June 27, 2024 by CaptWalker

[TheBlade]

On 1/23/2024 at 11:49 AM, CaptWalker said:

Was just wondering about this mainly due to what I have always heard about how anyone who kills themself is really a coward for taking the easy way out. But it seems to me that it would really take at least some level of courage to actually go through with it or on the flip side it could be someone who is so mentally unstable that they really don’t know what they are doing.

Anyway I was just curious because I have actually had suicidal thoughts before but was definitely afraid of the consequences and where I might end up or WILL end up as many Christians believe.

Its clear you do not understand what your asking if you did you would never use the word coward. Then to say "and you would think the V.A. would have been able to do something for them as far as counseling,medication/treatment,etc., but apparently not?!"

Not sure what your objective here was but.. for me it was not to help. 

 

 

 

[CaptWalker]

Well just who are you to judge me by saying I'm not wanting to help, and just how pray tell  would you presume to know what I'm trying to accomplish here...?! 

Either way it doesn't matter since obviously I accomplished very little. But any time you bring up the subject of Veterans someone is usually going to find something offensive about it. just a touchy subject that I suppose is not really even worth discussing?

Edited July 2, 2024 by CaptWalker

[other one]

16 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Its clear you do not understand what your asking if you did you would never use the word coward. Then to say "and you would think the V.A. would have been able to do something for them as far as counseling,medication/treatment,etc., but apparently not?!"

Not sure what your objective here was but.. for me it was not to help. 

 

 

 

It seems to me that he has heard people use that word coward and in reading the rest doesn't understand why. I have heard many people over the years also make that statement.  Apparently you agree with him about the word coward, though it doesn't seem you understand that.

He appears to be just asking for our thoughts on the subject, which many of us have given.   It seems to me that he is asking to understand, because he really doesn't understand how to help.

Your demeanor doesn't help in the long run, for it seems to have just cut off his interest completely.

[Marathoner]

I'm not so sure. I stated that issues are not as simple as the OP considers them to be, but this had zero effect. Military vets aren't seeking help not because of pride nor a lack of resources. Many vets don't seek help because we were trained not to. 

I work with homeless military vets all week long. I'm also a vet myself.

Edited July 2, 2024 by Marathoner

[CaptWalker]

Well I really wouldn't consider trying to help a Vet suffering from severe PTSD and suicidal tendencies to be a simple matter. But I know what you mean by assuming that it's all about the VA and what they could be doing more of to help.

But at the same time if they were "trained" to not seek help, that on the other hand does seem like a clear and simple reason why they wouldn't. But I also was just curious how organizations such as Wounded Warrior Project are using funds to help Vets. And when you watch those commercials is sure sounds to me like they are seeking help and are very grateful for all the donations that people send.

Edited July 2, 2024 by CaptWalker

[other one]

2 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

Well I really wouldn't consider trying to help a Vet suffering from severe PTSD and suicidal tendencies to be a simple matter. But I know what you mean by assuming that it's all about the VA and what they could be doing more of to help.

But at the same time if they were "trained" to not seek help, that on the other hand does seem like a clear and simple reason why they wouldn't. But I also was just curious how organizations such as Wounded Warrior Project are using funds to help Vets. And when you watch those commercials is sure sounds to me like they are seeking help and are very grateful for all the donations that people send.

We've been on vacation for a while and I haven't gotten too involved in threads for a couple of months.  We are out of the house half the time for the past three months.

I might add to this if I can.    The people I see being helped on the tv adds are usually physical problems and not mental.   I don't think most people understand the results of a PTSD attack can have on just thought process.  At least two I am familiar with resulted in a disassociated personality and when his other was triggered he went into a serious defense mode and was actually dangerous to both himself and others.  It was how he managed to get through many combat happenings.   Problem is/was sometimes his other was triggered somehow and his flight/fight kicked in, in very inappropriate situations when he was in no danger at all.  Sometimes they don't even know it's switched.  

What puts them on the street homeless is that they can't perform normal life duties and can't hold a job.  So if they don't have someone to take care of them, they have very little to no income.  (street people)  When they seem to realize the hopeless situation they are in, life has little to no meaning.

[Neighbor]

On 1/23/2024 at 1:49 PM, CaptWalker said:

anyone who kills themself is really a coward for taking the easy way out.

Hi, May I suggest there is no easy way out except be perfect and be taken by God in the manner of Enoch.

As to suicide, it is not a coward's way. It is an awful way though, for the damage it does to others. That damage lasts a lifetime deeply and adversely affecting  so very many separated from someone they love by that person having killed themself.

It takes the remainder of one's life to get through the hurt of a suicide by a loved one. That hurt is a heavy  burden. There really is no simple suicide for it is really murder suicide in that it murders a part of all those left behind in this corruptible flesh to suffer the loss.

Yes I have suffered that loss, and more than once. To call my family that have committed suicide cowards  would be a severe accusation, and really a false one. They  were absolutely overwhelmed in oppressions,  in depression, and failed to  give it over to Jesus.

They really had no idea how much hurt they were going to distribute for others to carry through the rest of their lives.

 

[Neighbor]

Further to declare a dead person a coward serves no good purpose at all. It does not help the living left behind to suffer their loss. It is almost a mean spirited declaration; and certainly one not becoming to a Christian.