"We accept Christ - then get a bunch of rules to follow"

[Neighbor]

19 hours ago, Scott Free said:

It seems during the 60's everyone unanimously decided teaching children character and proper behavior would no longer be a thing. Thanks Boomers, we are harvesting the fruits of your labor. It is a shame we lack the foundation, having to learn these habits as adults.

Nah, don't think that is accurate at all! I raised a couple of 'em then.  They are incredibly hard workers, well educated and responsible individuals.  Most of their friends were also pretty grand as kids too.

[RdJ]

19 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Nah, don't think that is accurate at all! I raised a couple of 'em then.  They are incredibly hard workers, well educated and responsible individuals.  Most of their friends were also pretty grand as kids too.

Kids nowadays....

I remember they said that in the 70s. Once I sat in the bus, 90s, I was 20 something. I was half asleep. 2 old women came in and started to complain about me sitting there and became nasty. I hadn't even noticed them. I would have given them my seat, had they been friendly. Now I pretended to be asleep and ignored them.

Edited February 14, 2024 by Renskedejonge

[Scott Free]

8 hours ago, Sower said:

God hold's you, Scott, responsible four actions, sins, not me or anybody else. You really should not group everyone unanimously  deciding anything, as I doubt you wouldn't know even one percent of them.

Yes, we are ultimately responsible for ourselves despite our circumstances. That was referencing fall of Western civilization more than individuals.

[Scott Free]

3 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Nah, don't think that is accurate at all! I raised a couple of 'em then.  They are incredibly hard workers, well educated and responsible individuals.  Most of their friends were also pretty grand as kids too.

Yes, I have a daughter. The ignorance in my over-generalization was a humor to me. The issue addressed was more about the fall of Western civilization than an individual overcoming the odds. Our pattern of behavior formed when we were three, fulfilling rules of conduct is easier if are hearts are put in the right place to begin with. That was the point I tried to make.

Edited February 14, 2024 by Scott Free

[Know Jah]

The sad situation is that its not just the young, those of the 50's and 60's also don't want to obey rules and want to do their own thing.

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

On 2/12/2024 at 10:59 AM, FJK said:

I've heard homosexuals and homosexual priests and preachers, even the Pope for that matter, make similar arguments.

So as I look at NC replacing the old one, I'm wondering if I should agree with them or not.

Are there any standards for sin any more if we are set free from the Law as long as what we do is done in the spirit and name of love?

Sinners will always try to use Grace and mercy to justify their sins. Obviously we should never intentionally sin, but those who spend every moment of their lives trying not to sin will lose a lot of joy in their lives. I don't believe that Christians should go around pointing the finger at everybody saying that they're evil. That doesn't mean that we can't correct our brother when he is straying. If we put Christ first and focus on living for him, I believe obedience comes naturally and we don't have to worry about whether we're sitting or not.

[FJK]

30 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

Sinners will always try to use Grace and mercy to justify their sins. Obviously we should never intentionally sin, but those who spend every moment of their lives trying not to sin will lose a lot of joy in their lives. I don't believe that Christians should go around pointing the finger at everybody saying that they're evil. That doesn't mean that we can't correct our brother when he is straying. If we put Christ first and focus on living for him, I believe obedience comes naturally and we don't have to worry about whether we're sitting or not.

For those less than perfect in their relation with God, without the Laws God gave how do we know what sin is?

Is there any morality without the Law to establish it?

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Slibhin said:

Thanks boomers, for cratering the economy and putting us deeply in debt. Thanks for electing corporate robots and driving costs of living through the roof. Thanks for getting all yours for a fraction of the cost that things are now, and then calling us mooches when we want the same opportunities.

Blaming is fun.

And thanks to each and every prior generation for doing all the funky things they did, going back to Adam!

But the generations since the boomers will no doubt get it right ("We're just not making promises that we'll never keep!" - Phil Collins) . . .

[Scott Free]

1 hour ago, Slibhin said:

Thanks boomers, for cratering the economy and putting us deeply in debt. Thanks for electing corporate robots and driving costs of living through the roof. Thanks for getting all yours for a fraction of the cost that things are now, and then calling us mooches when we want the same opportunities.

Blaming is fun.

Our pride is a broken jar

[Neighbor]

On 2/1/2024 at 7:32 AM, Vine Abider said:

In my Tuesday men's fellowship, a brother said this.  So is this what the Christian life is about?

Re: Bunch of rules- Getting back closer to the opening, YES RULES APLENTY to be obeyed with the heart first and then the mind to reason through what God's will is for me personally, that I may  in some way  be a blessing to  as well as blessed by God.

The complaint that rules are legalism is folly. What is legalism are rules without heart. God has given rules aplenty and even has stepped up the rules at the sermon on the mount, but always with a heart for His creation and opportunity for his creation to repent and honor Him. 

Honoring the commands by the creator of all that has been created is not legalism. It is duty and privilege, it makes the heart fill with joy!