Michael37 Posted February 19 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 244 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,024 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,941 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted February 19 35 minutes ago, WilliamL said: The by far most common translation for the word tsela is "side," not rib. Strange that you would use this "fallacy" to prove your point. Biblehub throws up 39 translations, only one of which doesn't say rib. Genesis 2:22 Parallel: And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. (biblehub.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted February 19 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,202 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 49 minutes ago, WilliamL said: The by far most common translation for the word tsela is "side," not rib. God made man in His image, male and female. Adam was both before God made the outward division, separating the two sides. A lot of mystical understanding involved here, which is why I'm working on a couple blogs about it. But the passage you quote clearly states that the female came out of Adam: she was not separately created from the dust, as Adam was. She was from his body and it doesn't say He breathed in her, but He created them in Their image and him in His image, so Adam was created in the image of Jesus, but they were created in Their image, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over [g]all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Edited February 19 by Renskedejonge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted February 19 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,202 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted February 19 12 minutes ago, Michael37 said: Genesis 2:22 Parallel: And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. (biblehub.com) 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. M Posted February 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.32 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 6.89 Reputation: 1,802 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Author Share Posted February 19 1 minute ago, Renskedejonge said: What could be more important is the gender relationship established in the process. 1 Corinthians 11: 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but the woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. 12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God. Is this truth not under all out public assault by the gender doctrines that are being promoted in today's society. And that not in liberal colleges, but high schools and even middle schools. Is this not a direct assault on the image of God, and against our children? Should Christian opposition become more vocal? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted February 19 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,202 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, Mr. M said: What could be more important is the gender relationship established in the process. 1 Corinthians 11: 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but the woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. 12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God. Is this truth not under all out public assault by the gender doctrines that are being promoted in today's society. And that not in liberal colleges, but high schools and even middle schools. Is this not a direct assault on the image of God, and against our children? Should Christian opposition become more vocal? If the woman is created for the man it means we are created for Jesus. Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted February 19 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 244 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,024 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,941 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, Mr. M said: What could be more important is the gender relationship established in the process. 1 Corinthians 11: 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but the woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. 12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God. Is this truth not under all out public assault by the gender doctrines that are being promoted in today's society. And that not in liberal colleges, but high schools and even middle schools. Is this not a direct assault on the image of God, and against our children? Should Christian opposition become more vocal? Quote Should Christian opposition become more vocal? Not if it just voices condemnation. I know of individuals drawn into the whole counter-culture dynamic that embraced such movements as the new morality, permissive society, sexual revolution, Gay Pride, Eastern Religion, New Age philosophy, humanism, relativism, and basically anything other than Biblical Theology. Because of the strong demonic bondage that accompanies these things, just reading or hearing condemnation doesn't offer a way out of them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. M Posted February 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.32 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 6.89 Reputation: 1,802 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Author Share Posted February 19 42 minutes ago, Michael37 said: Not if it just voices condemnation. I know of individuals drawn into the whole counter-culture dynamic that embraced such movements as the new morality, permissive society, sexual revolution, Gay Pride, Eastern Religion, New Age philosophy, humanism, relativism, and basically anything other than Biblical Theology. Because of the strong demonic bondage that accompanies these things, just reading or hearing condemnation doesn't offer a way out of them. I did not say anything about condemnation. I understand your concerns and fully agree with them. As I was quoted, there should be a voice of well reasoned opposition. Telling someone they are going to hell if they do something is not a well reasoned position. If we are doing Christ's work, then it is not to condemn the world, but to save them. Every angle of understanding must be explored so that in everything, we are giving better advice than the world at all times. Opposition to abortion? You bet. By fully educating on every negative outcome, physical, psychological and spiritual, including lingering guilt and self condemnation. This is just another front in the battle against the corruption and the wages paid for... This gender confusion is an attack on the very image of God. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted February 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,153 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,568 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted February 19 21 hours ago, Michael37 said: 21 hours ago, WilliamL said: The by far most common translation for the word tsela is "side," not rib. Strange that you would use this "fallacy" to prove your point. Biblehub throws up 39 translations, only one of which doesn't say rib. Genesis 2:22 Parallel: And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. (biblehub.com) You misread/misunderstood what I wrote. Note the following: "The KJV translates Strong's H6763 [tsela] in the following manner: side (19x), chamber (11x), boards (2x), corners (2x), rib (2x), another (1x), beams (1x), halting (1x), leaves (1x), planks (1x)." -- blueletterbible.org Of the 41 times this word is used in the OT, only twice, both of them in this passage, is this word defined as rib. Not a strong case therefore that rib is an accurate translation, in spite of that tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted February 19 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 962 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,714 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,111 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted February 19 Well for practical purposes, a side is an entire side from shoulder to round (hind). Might ol Adam be a bit hindered upon awaking minus a side? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted February 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.59 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted February 19 26 minutes ago, Neighbor said: Well for practical purposes, a side is an entire side from shoulder to round (hind). Might ol Adam be a bit hindered upon awaking minus a side? Just wondering. Ribs can regrow themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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