BlindSeeker Posted March 28 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,041 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 426 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 28 22 hours ago, Stash said: ...but explain to me how the Christianity got to the USA Sorry, in reviewing the tread I saw I miss this question. My answer would be with pilgrims and puritans. A major part of their wanting to come here was to get out from under the Church of England and pursue freedom of religion, in fact I would say that was their primary motive. In fact, if my recall of history hasn't failed me, some felt it so vital for the growth of the true church, more stayed behind in servitude to afford the opportunity for the rest to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted March 29 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,041 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 426 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 29 2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: I've learned that blind seeker gets very personal .Alot of personal insults come from this guy. Absolutely, I am direct, but please show me any honest man, or any true man of God, whether in scripture or not, who isn’t… Now, we all know the world has grown hypersensitive, you know with how in some places by law American are having to use the proper pronoun and everything regardless of reality. But that is actually a good example of how so many people can feel insulted when they are told something or addressed in a way where indeed there is no insult intended. Still, I think Christian should be able to rise above all that, especially if they have hearkened to Peter’s exhortation to give all diligence to add to faith, virtue… 2nd Peter 1:5 - And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he that lacks these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Look at how Jesus always addressed people pointedly with the truth, but never with an insult. And did He take a stand with the Pharisees, yes, of course we all know he did. Remember how they asked him a question, of which I am sure He would have gladly answered, but He required them to answer his question first. However, they wouldn't because they knew right away that an honest answer would make them look bad, so He likewise refused to answer them. We all know the whole situation ended up being an insult to them, especially with the people’s eyes looking on. Yet even they knew that their answer would only openly condemn them. So, what did they do? In their hatred they started plotting how they could get rid of him. But that whole situation can hardly be interpreted as Jesus insulting them, for there was no malice in His heart. Now isn’t that a familiar story line seen over and over throughout scripture? Even when Jesus knew the rich young ruler was going to just walk away because the price was too high, we are still told that Jesus beholding him, loved him. However, I am sure as he walked away, he was inwardly ashamed and knew Jesus was right, and that it was his own covetous affection for things that was hindering him. That the difference, pride is the root of all contention, and covetousness is the root of all discontentment. People want to be acknowledged, and told their right, and when they are not, they feel insulted. But what happened to clear, plain, and open honesty? And I don't mean the harsh insensitive honesty of telling someone they’re stupid as a rock, fat as a pig, or as becoming as one. But really, have American men been under attack so long they become feminize and forgotten how to be men with each other? Remember Paul’s exhortation to the Corinthians - 1st Cor 16:13 - Watch therefore, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, and be strong. Like Paul, I firmly believe Christian men ought to be able to speak to each other, whether in agreement or disagreement, and that being straight forward, asking direct, hard questions, and having a right to expect a professing Christian will respond accordingly. Why a truly regenerated Christian man would think differently eludes me. Now, all that said, since returning to Worthy Boards I have done my best to answer all questions put to me, (the serious ones). I have looked up other people’s statements to verify them if I did not already know the results that would be found. I have followed other poster’s links provided to other threads and sites, and I have done my best to explain my own position on the various threads that I've visited. And as you all know, even by the OP of this thread, I too have submitted links for everyone’s further evaluation for the topic I was hoping to discuss. Which for me, if I was serious in engaging in a discourse like this, I would be sure to read those things first before posting so I could understand the other’s position, as well as why they are holden to it. That way I would know whether the topic was one I would wish to discuss. To me, that all is just being respectful; you know, treating others the way you want to be treated? So, who can tell me they have done likewise? Really, go ahead without hesitation or playing catchup, and post your affirmation next. Because I have asked direct questions of several of you multiple times that have never been answered, and posting a scripture BTW isn’t an answer unless one has been requested. So, would that give me cause to feel insulted? Maybe it should, but I don't. I am however just left wondering what kind of Christians I am speaking with if they can only keep telling me I am wrong and constantly share the same scriptures repeatedly. People, we all know the scriptures, it just that we don't see them in the same light. And that is the challenge here, unless you are just looking for the praise of men. The challenge is to yield ourselves purposefully, humbly, respectfully to each other, that we might by grace and illumination of the Holy Spirit become of both one mind and one heart, speaking the same thing. I’ll wait for everyone’s answer who has a complaint with me…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted March 29 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,041 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 426 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, other one said: It's being worked on. All this has been spoken openly, so please address me openly as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 29 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 634 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29 (edited) 8 hours ago, BlindSeeker said: Further more, the beast in 13:1 rise out of the sea, or mass of humanity. But the 2nd "beast coming up out of the earth" has "two horns like a lamb, and he speaks as a dragon," or according to the agenda of the Satan. This is a man, for he is from the earth, or dust. It is he who "he exercises all the power of the first beast before him." Rev 13 talks about two different beast. - The first beast is a world government that is controlled by seven world leaders/kings. Sounds like the UN - G7. The US is one of the G7 members, which I believe will be uprooted when the eight king/little horn comes to power. - The second beast is referring to a single person called the False Prophet aka The Man of Sin/aka The Eight King. The seven kings will give their authority over to him, giving him full authority over all nations/kingdoms. He will deceive the whole world into worshiping the first beast (World Government) and will force all all to receive a mark in order to buy or sell and anyone who refuses the mark or bow down to the image of this World Government will be killed. Edited March 29 by Jedi4Yahweh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted March 29 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,041 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 426 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 29 11 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: Rev 13 talks about two different beast. - The first beast is a world government that is controlled by seven world leaders/kings. - The second beast is referring to a single person called the False Prophet aka The Man of Sin/aka The Eight King. The seven kings will give their authority over to him, giving him full authority over all nations/kingdoms. He will deceive the whole world into worshiping the first beast (World Government) and will force all to worship the first beast (World Government) and will cause all to receive a mark in order to buy or sell and anyone who refuses the mark or bow down to the image of this World Government will be killed. Why then did the angel tell John that s where already fallen in Johns day, and that one was the dominant one at that moment, and when the 7th comes he will only be there for a short time. Then comes the eight, which is impossible to connect with being called a king in scripture? We all know about the ark coming, the buying and selling aspect of it all. But who/what is the eighth? Also, for the record, I do not subscribe to a end time antichrist figure who will sit in a rebuilt temple, nor to I believe God will permit a globalization/world government. Basically, because it is clearly stated that He has "determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation." It is He, "the most High [that] divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted March 29 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29 (edited) The beast from the sea is already in his kingdom today.That deadly wound has been healed. The second beast which is the false prophet has not arrived in the first beast kingdom as yet.That does not take place till after Donald Trump is reelected. The beast which ascends out of the bottomless Pitt and attacks Jerusalem killing the two witnesses is a confederation of Islamic nations from the middle east who are taught to attack Dajalls armed forces and kill all the Jews Anyone who has read the Quran and Hadith would know this. After these nations attack Jerusalem ,they are all destroyed.The christians from these Islamic majority nations are saved at the time of the end.They come out of great tribulation. Anyone who is ignorant of the Hadith about the Dajall and the signs of his coming really doesn't comprehend the beast which ascends out of the abyss and attacks the the United states armed forces occupying Jerusalem.Nor would they understand the nuclear war that follows throughout the middle east and North Africa. And they probably don't understand the Samson option as well. I find it interesting that the people who don't understand these things believe other people are ignorant. Edited March 29 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted March 29 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,116 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,847 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29 14 hours ago, BlindSeeker said: All this has been spoken openly, so please address me openly as well. If you notice, that wasn't to you at all. It was a comment to Shilohsfoal concerning something he had noticed. So I wasn't addressing you at all. My original comment was to you both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted March 29 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29 22 hours ago, BlindSeeker said: Further more, the beast in 13:1 rise out of the sea, or mass of humanity. No, "the sea" is not in this case considered to be "mass of humanity." Revelation 17 clarifies where the beast rises out of. The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. Rev 17:8 The abyss is where the beast rises from. The abyss is only ever used in the context of evil spirit beings. It is their prison. It has nothing to do with the mass of humanity. The beast is an evil spirit being. He is both the prince of Rome and the prince of the seventh head. 22 hours ago, BlindSeeker said: One other thing is the woman isn't shown to riding the beast in the beginning, not until chapter 17 as judgment begins to be pronounce against her. The harlot in Rev 17 is the same harlot pictured throughout the Old Testament, apostate Israel. However, she resides primarily in the U.S and Europe in these last days. Her destruction is taking place before our eyes and will be completed when the beast and his 10 horns destroy her with fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted March 29 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,041 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 426 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, other one said: If you notice, that wasn't to you at all. It was a comment to Shilohsfoal concerning something he had noticed. So I wasn't addressing you at all. My original comment was to you both. Your comment was specific to his remark about me - "I've learned that blind seeker gets very personal .Alot of personal insults come from this guy." So while you might not have been "addressing me," it was nonetheless posted on a thread I started, which means everything posted has my attention as if posted to me whether it was or not, but regardless, it was undeniably about me and concerning me. Put, yourself in my spot, and if a moderator posted the same on your thread about you... So really brother, if you are trying to tell me it doesn't concern me, nothing to see here, just move along, then you are simply raising my concerns about the direction Worthy is headed even more. Edited March 29 by BlindSeeker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted March 29 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,116 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,847 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29 17 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said: Your comment was specific to his remark about me - "I've learned that blind seeker gets very personal .Alot of personal insults come from this guy." So while you might not have been "addressing me," it was nonetheless posted on a thread I started, which means everything posted has my attention as if posted to me whether it was or not, but regardless, it was undeniably about me and concerning me. Put, yourself in my spot, and if a moderator posted the same on your thread about you... So really brother, if you are trying to tell me it doesn't concern me, nothing to see here, just move along, then you are simply raising my concerns about the direction Worthy is headed even more. I can't put myself in your spot, for I don't treat people here the way you do. If I were in your position, I would simply apologize and get on with talking with people like Christians would/should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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