Its cursed to rely on human, why does God rely on men to spread Gospel ?

[R. Hartono]

https://biblehub.com/jeremiah/17-5.htm 

Jeremiah 17:5 Cursed are those who rely on human, who put their trust in mere flesh.

Why did Jesus departed to heaven and relying on flesh to spread Gospel ? 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2024 by R. Hartono

[Neighbor]

What makes you think God relies on man to spread the gospel of Yeshua?

Is the creator dependent upon His creation?

[Deborah_]

We don't do it on our own. God sends the Holy Spirit to empower and direct us in the task. 

If we try to spread the Gospel in our own strength, without relying on the Holy Spirit, we get into deep trouble!

[RdJ]

He does it through us. He uses us as His body. The idea is: I don't live anymore, but Christ in me, so then it isn't us but Him doing it and using us as a vessel. If the church listens He can do way more this way. In Revelation also angels proclaim the Gospel, but man was given dominion over the earth like a renter, so man has to get the dominion back and Jesus can just visit muslims in dreams, but we have to pray that His Kingdom comes. God can't do anything on earth except when His people pray, said some prayer teacher. 1 Timothy says it too. Pray because God wants them saved.

It looks like someone could go to hell if I'm lazy and don't pray. A catholic guy said: Jesus prays for us. Jesus prays? Huh? I thought the whole load was dumped on me. I always felt guilty, maybe because my twin brother died in the whomb, cause before I got saved I was also not allowed to take 3 steps on tiles and I had to move my hands like this or that otherwise someone would die and it was my fault. Guess they call that OCD nowadays.

It was always my fault when whoever died. Some politician died? My fault. If you had prayed he would have been healed and saved. We had a politician in the 90s. He was homosexual, anti immigrants, not saved. Someone shot him dead. I was chilling in Canada in a church. I heard it. That poor guy went to hell because I was a lazy monster. I should have been so focused on God that I should have heard that I had to pray for him. That reminds me of a Lutheran who said I was a cosavior. Yes but not how you mean it. He meant by praying the sinner's prayer.

God did tell me to pray for Diana btw. And then a year later I heard that a Dutch evangelist got him on his heart. God told him to pray for him to get saved. He prayed 4 hours and then God said it was good. He put on the tv and he saw that he was killed. So he just had to pray him into heaven. Ian McCormack met God before he died, who told him how to get saved and his mother was told to pray.

But on the other hand

When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you shall surely die!’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand.
Ezekiel 33:8 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/ezk.33.8.NKJV

 

But you can say that if God elected someone He can make sure that Ezekiel or whoever warns them, which is not true, cause the ones who didnt hear it get little punishment.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
Matthew 23:37 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.23.37.NKJV

So He wanted to save the kids, but their parents wouldn't let them. 

I hope that the reformed are right and that God can save the elect.

 

Edited March 23, 2024 by RdJ

[kwikphilly]

Your choice of Scripture is completely out of context- it has nothing to do with your allegation against  God the Son ,insinuating HE is reliant upon mere mortals to spread the Gospel..... the Scripture is referencing them that have turned away from the Lord God Almighty -men who have turned their backs on God

Jesus,our Redeemer Lives and to begin with - is not man,He Was Fully man and Fully God -He Sent the Helper in His Place to spread the Gospel when He Left His earthy Ministry in the flesh,He Continues in Spirit,Holy Spirit  and IN each of His Children Born in Spirit,He Abides in us

Very strange to pick such a Scripture in an attempt to try to apply it to God Most High Who Cannot turn away from Himself,Who is not a man ,Who is Longsuffering and Has Provided the Way the Truth and the Life that none should perish but have Everlasting Life

It borders on blasphemy imo

 

[RdJ]

Lester Sumrall saw people in hell and God said: That's what happens when you won't preach to them. That was his calling. They got saved. I assume God is able to do His will although we can be lousy though.

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/qas/if-we-do-not-witness-and-share-the-gospel-will-some-people-not-go-to-heaven

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

9 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

https://biblehub.com/jeremiah/17-5.htm 

Jeremiah 17:5 Cursed are those who rely on human, who put their trust in mere flesh.

Why did Jesus departed to heaven and relying on flesh to spread Gospel ? 

 

 

Jesus knew the success of the mission he was giving the apostles. He knew the church would one day cover the whole world. Even though man is very fallible, God has always preserved a remnant and there have always been faithful people who passed on the message of Jesus. I think what scripture was talking about was don't place total trust in people because people will always hurt you and let you down and betray that trust. 

[Jayne]

12 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

https://biblehub.com/jeremiah/17-5.htm 

Jeremiah 17:5 Cursed are those who rely on human, who put their trust in mere flesh.

Why did Jesus departed to heaven and relying on flesh to spread Gospel ? 

 

 

@R. Hartono

Brother, you've done something odd here.   You only quoted PART of the verse and put a period in the MIDDLE of the verse and left out the WHOLE verse.

Here it is in its entirety.

Jeremiah 17:5 = "Thus says the LORD: 'Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD.'"

The key of the "curse" is turning a heart away from the LORD.  You left that out.

God can and does most definitely use people to spread the gospel.  He gives us assignments and gifts and commands to do that according to his instructions and Holy Spirit guidance.

WE aren't saving people.  GOD is.  But God uses us sometimes for his will.

We DON'T put out faith in humanity to save us.  We DO put our trust in God to save us.

You, in only citing part of the verse, and out of context - made it say something that God did not intend.

 

[Whosoever]

Every species of animals expresses Gods worship.  They communicate to each other in their own way whether to warn of danger, or calling out seeking a mate, or Mothers calling their babies.  

Humans communicate to Humans.  We send our Ambasadors all over the world to communicate to other countries.  We advertise our goods and services to one another and bargain and barter with one another, in person, or through other sources of communications.

Why then is it so terribly difficult to share or spread the Gospel; or do you think sharing or spreading the Gospel is not a human function.  What?  If there isn't a personal human testimony behind the message how then can the gospel become true.  In any court case, a witness testimony is a good of solid rock evidence as any evidence. If I can tell people my experience of how I came to accept my free gift of eternal life through Jesus why would you think God would consider a better way.

If you don't believe, you don't believe.  When we plant seeds, some fall on good ground and some fall on hard ground.  God's plan doesn't fail, man has the right to choose eternal damnation says God.  My recommendation is; choose life, with the exception of your soul, what do you have to loose?

[melbac]

2 Timothy 2:23 KJV - But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes