Why does Iran hate Jewish Israel?

[tatwo]

3 minutes ago, Luther said:

What would be the difference if your whole neighborhood was leveled? No one left alive? Would you remain silent? On the sidelines?

Greetings @Luther...

Having had the opportunity to be born and raised in America...and not required to go to war...the thoughts that go through my "mind" concerning your first 2 questions are difficult to quantify. I have contemplated that scenario many times to be honest with you. Additionally it seem highly probable that something like that is being setup in America...today...as we speak...so I can appreciate the questions.

I am sure the anger of injustice would interrogate my soul deeply...creating in me a scenario which would be devastating, agonizing, traumatizing and foreign to say the least. However...I know that my Holy Spirit filled...spirit...would show me the way through the disaster...while putting Him on display.

Would "I remain silent and on the sidelines"...no...not at all. In that scene...there would be so much to do to assist people in many and varied different ways...if I were able...that would be my focus...helping wherever I can.

Having said that...in no way am I going to take the life of another human being...ever. As a "son of God" my physical existence can an will most likely be extinguished...however the life that is in me is "eternal life" a power that requires nothing from creation to sustain it...so I cannot ultimately die.

Tatwo...:)   

[Keras]

The posts above show how abysmally clueless most people are about what God has told us thru His Prophets, His plans for our future. 

    Wars – what wars?                                                   

There is a lot of talk about World War 3, the Gog/Magog War, Armageddon, etc. The actual fact is – they are not wars at all!  They are all events where God uses seemingly natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, hailstorms, plagues and sunstrikes to destroy enemy armies. The exception is when Jesus uses the Sword of His Word at His Return.

The so called next Mid East war or W.W. 3:

Micah 4:11-12 Now many nations are massed against Israel.....They do not know the  Lord's purpose, for He has gathered them for the threshing.

Psalms 83:13-15 Scatter Your enemies, O God, like thistledown, like chaff before the wind, like a fire raging through the forested hills. Pursue them with Your tempest, terrify them with Your storm winds.

2 Samuel 22:9-16 The earth quaked, shaking because of the Lord’s anger. Smoke and devouring fire issued from Him. He parted the heavens and came down, thick darkness His covering. God thundered from heaven, lightning shafts flashed.

Psalms 50:1-3 The Lord is coming, a consuming fire, around Him a great storm rages.

Zechariah 9:14 The Lord will appear over them, His arrows flashing like lightning.

Isaiah 29:6 Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord, with fire, etc.

Habakkuk 3:14 With his own weapon, You pierced his head, as they stormed out to fight  

Joel 1:15 The Day of the Lord is near, it comes, a mighty destruction from the Almighty

Revelation  6:12-17 The Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, there was a violent earthquake ..terrible signs in the heavens. The great Day of the Lord’s wrath has come and who can stand?

Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine 7 times brighter on the Day the Lord saves His people.

A Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude will literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about the forthcoming actual Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.

The Gog, Magog attack:

Ezekiel 38:19-22 I shall bring them to judgement with pestilence and bloodshed. I shall pour torrential rain and hailstorms as well as fire and brimstone on them all. In My anger, there will be a great earthquake in Israel that day. Terror will strike the hearts of Gog’s armies and his men will turn their swords against one another.

Joel 2:20 I shall remove the Northern peril far from you and banish them into the desert. The stench and foul smell of them will rise up.

Armageddon – at the Return of Jesus:

Revelation 19:15-21 Out of His mouth came a sharp sword to smite the nations.

Zechariah 14:12-15 The Lord will strike with plague all the nations who warred against Israel

Daniel 11:45 The Anti Christ will camp between the sea and Jerusalem and there, he will meet his end, with no one to help him.

End of the Millennium:

Rev 20:7-10 When the 1000 years has ended, Satan will seduce the nations. They lay siege to God’s city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.                                                                            Ref: REB. Verses abridged.

What God requires of His people, is trust and faith that He will deliver and protect them. They must be prepared to take advantage of any situation, but with fervent prayer for the Lords deliverance, trusting in His provision for them.

Isaiah 30:15 In calm detachment lies your safety, your strength in quiet trust.

Psalm 37:1-29 Trust in the Lord and do good, settle in the Land, find good pasture. Commit your ways to the Lord, trust in Him and He will act.

His righteous people will inherit the Land and will live there forever.

Isaiah 25:9 On that day, the people will say: See, this is our God, we waited for Him, and He has delivered us. This is the God whom we have trusted, we will rejoice.

Jeremiah 39:18 I shall keep you safe, you will not be killed, because you trusted in Me. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Keras

[Luther]

7 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Greetings @Luther...

Having had the opportunity to be born and raised in America...and not required to go to war...the thoughts that go through my "mind" concerning your first 2 questions are difficult to quantify. I have contemplated that scenario many times to be honest with you. Additionally it seem highly probable that something like that is being setup in America...today...as we speak...so I can appreciate the questions.

I am sure the anger of injustice would interrogate my soul deeply...creating in me a scenario which would be devastating, agonizing, traumatizing and foreign to say the least. However...I know that my Holy Spirit filled...spirit...would show me the way through the disaster...while putting Him on display.

Would "I remain silent and on the sidelines"...no...not at all. In that scene...there would be so much to do to assist people in many and varied different ways...if I were able...that would be my focus...helping wherever I can.

Having said that...in no way am I going to take the life of another human being...ever. As a "son of God" my physical existence can an will most likely be extinguished...however the life that is in me is "eternal life" a power that requires nothing from creation to sustain it...so I cannot ultimately die.

Tatwo...:)   

Very well spoken. The reason why I started the post " can we live without social media" was mainly due to the disturbing images and videos that pop out of nowhere when scrolling. I wondered if there were others who are just as disturbed with this constant barrage of negativity.

I'm starting to focus more on  my " first love", the Word of God, and just try to understand the Biblical view of all this, as a " son of God", like you said.

 

[other one]

11 hours ago, Luther said:

Wish to expand? I'm learning that in many instances there's a different side of history than what I've been brought up to believe. 

Long story, read the Book of Ester.   The Prince of Persia is mentioned in several places in the Bible.

[Luther]

2 hours ago, other one said:

Long story, read the Book of Ester.   The Prince of Persia is mentioned in several places in the Bible.

Thank you. I'll pass though. Not a big fan of the book of Esther. 

[Luther]

21 hours ago, Keras said:

The posts above show how abysmally clueless most people are about what God has told us thru His Prophets, His plans for our future. 

    Wars – what wars?                                                   

There is a lot of talk about World War 3, the Gog/Magog War, Armageddon, etc. The actual fact is – they are not wars at all!  They are all events where God uses seemingly natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, hailstorms, plagues and sunstrikes to destroy enemy armies. The exception is when Jesus uses the Sword of His Word at His Return.

The so called next Mid East war or W.W. 3:

Micah 4:11-12 Now many nations are massed against Israel.....They do not know the  Lord's purpose, for He has gathered them for the threshing.

Psalms 83:13-15 Scatter Your enemies, O God, like thistledown, like chaff before the wind, like a fire raging through the forested hills. Pursue them with Your tempest, terrify them with Your storm winds.

2 Samuel 22:9-16 The earth quaked, shaking because of the Lord’s anger. Smoke and devouring fire issued from Him. He parted the heavens and came down, thick darkness His covering. God thundered from heaven, lightning shafts flashed.

Psalms 50:1-3 The Lord is coming, a consuming fire, around Him a great storm rages.

Zechariah 9:14 The Lord will appear over them, His arrows flashing like lightning.

Isaiah 29:6 Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord, with fire, etc.

Habakkuk 3:14 With his own weapon, You pierced his head, as they stormed out to fight  

Joel 1:15 The Day of the Lord is near, it comes, a mighty destruction from the Almighty

Revelation  6:12-17 The Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, there was a violent earthquake ..terrible signs in the heavens. The great Day of the Lord’s wrath has come and who can stand?

Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine 7 times brighter on the Day the Lord saves His people.

A Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude will literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about the forthcoming actual Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.

The Gog, Magog attack:

Ezekiel 38:19-22 I shall bring them to judgement with pestilence and bloodshed. I shall pour torrential rain and hailstorms as well as fire and brimstone on them all. In My anger, there will be a great earthquake in Israel that day. Terror will strike the hearts of Gog’s armies and his men will turn their swords against one another.

Joel 2:20 I shall remove the Northern peril far from you and banish them into the desert. The stench and foul smell of them will rise up.

Armageddon – at the Return of Jesus:

Revelation 19:15-21 Out of His mouth came a sharp sword to smite the nations.

Zechariah 14:12-15 The Lord will strike with plague all the nations who warred against Israel

Daniel 11:45 The Anti Christ will camp between the sea and Jerusalem and there, he will meet his end, with no one to help him.

End of the Millennium:

Rev 20:7-10 When the 1000 years has ended, Satan will seduce the nations. They lay siege to God’s city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.                                                                            Ref: REB. Verses abridged.

What God requires of His people, is trust and faith that He will deliver and protect them. They must be prepared to take advantage of any situation, but with fervent prayer for the Lords deliverance, trusting in His provision for them.

Isaiah 30:15 In calm detachment lies your safety, your strength in quiet trust.

Psalm 37:1-29 Trust in the Lord and do good, settle in the Land, find good pasture. Commit your ways to the Lord, trust in Him and He will act.

His righteous people will inherit the Land and will live there forever.

Isaiah 25:9 On that day, the people will say: See, this is our God, we waited for Him, and He has delivered us. This is the God whom we have trusted, we will rejoice.

Jeremiah 39:18 I shall keep you safe, you will not be killed, because you trusted in Me. 

Keras, Maybe you might have some insightful information on this " literal" millennial reign of Christ. I believe that it's a false doctrine made popular in the last 100 years or so through the Scofield Bible. 

There are no other scriptural references to a specific time period of " a thousand years" regarding Christ's reign, only in Revelation 20. 

However, there are a multitude of verses that specifically relate to Jesus coming the second time in the resurrection at the last day. 

Q: If we consider Revelation 20 to be allegorical and not literal ( which I do), where else is the evidence for a literal 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ? 

[Keras]

32 minutes ago, Luther said:

Q: If we consider Revelation 20 to be allegorical and not literal ( which I do), where else is the evidence for a literal 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ? 

The Book of Revelation has some allegories and the rest literal, things and events which can and will happen. 

The thousand year reign of Jesus is His reward. It is Prophesied many times, Isaiah 2:1-3, Zechariah 14:16-21, and in several Psalms.

But the proof of a final 1000 years of Gods plan for mankind, is in the addition of the given time periods of the Patriarchs and the Kings, etc, then the known date of the Babylonian conquest of Judah, plus the elapsed years from then to now - is almost 6000 years. So we await the dramatic events as Prophesied from Rev 6:12 to Rev 19:11 - in a few years, to come glorious Return of Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

He will reign for the earths Sabbath, then the final Judgment and after that - Eternity. 

[Luther]

56 minutes ago, Keras said:

The Book of Revelation has some allegories and the rest literal, things and events which can and will happen. 

The thousand year reign of Jesus is His reward. It is Prophesied many times, Isaiah 2:1-3, Zechariah 14:16-21, and in several Psalms.

But the proof of a final 1000 years of Gods plan for mankind, is in the addition of the given time periods of the Patriarchs and the Kings, etc, then the known date of the Babylonian conquest of Judah, plus the elapsed years from then to now - is almost 6000 years. So we await the dramatic events as Prophesied from Rev 6:12 to Rev 19:11 - in a few years, to come glorious Return of Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

He will reign for the earths Sabbath, then the final Judgment and after that - Eternity. 

I'm sorry. I don't read of a thousand years reign being " his reward". 

But you didn't answer the question. Name one verse ( apart from the highly allegorical Rev. 20) where we specifically read of a " literal" thousand years reign of Christ?

That language isn't found in Isaiah 2  and Zechariah 14 either. 

Now Psalms is interesting. There is a verse  containing the phrase thousand years ":

Psalms 90:4

For a (thousand years) in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

That's metaphoric language that God is using to convey to the reader that the way He defines time is a whole lot different than the way we do. This verse reminds me of another similar one:

2 Peter 3:8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a (thousand years), and a (thousand years) as one day.

Another "un-literal" illustration of God's time. If you don't mind, there is one more verse apart from Rev. 20 containing our phrase of interest:

Ecclesiastes 6:6

Yea, though he live a (thousand years) twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

That can't be understood literally either. Even the way God uses the phrase "thousand" you can see the same pattern developing. The term really implies " completeness"or "fullness" of whatever is in view.

 Psalms 50:10

For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a (thousand) hills.

So one really can't accuse another of  "spiritualizing" a phrase when there are many examples where you have no other choice than to understand it spiritually. So,

1) You have a book that in the beginning the disciple John received while " IN THE SPIRIT" ( Rev.1:10)

2) A track record of allegorical interpretations of that phrase.

3) ( And just as important) Not one other reference to that phrase regarding a  "literal" thousand year reign of Christ. 

I hope You can see what I'm presenting. Like I said, "the millennial reign" doctrine only became popular in the mid 19th century, and I suggest to everyone to find out  what the motives were behind it. Because I definitely believe that it's end goal is evil. 

 

Edited December 14, 2024 by Luther
Had to change a word.

[Keras]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

I'm sorry. I don't read of a thousand years reign being " his reward". 

But you didn't answer the question. Name one verse ( apart from the highly allegorical Rev. 20) where we specifically read of a " literal" thousand years reign of Christ?

Revelation 19:11-21 is a clear description of how the Lord Jesus will return to the earth. He comes as a King and destroys the attackers of Jerusalem.  Then what? 

Revelation 20 says very plainly, six times; that there will be a thousand year period when the resurrected martyrs will be His priests. Only after the thousand years is over, does the final Judgment come. 

Why are these Prophesies dismissed and glossed over? 

Regarding the 7000 year Plan of God for mankind, that is proved by the fact of the exact 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, then another exact 2000 years Abraham to Jesus and now almost another 2000 years from His Ascension to His Return. Total 6000 years, then the Millennium and the final wrap up. You can view the additions on my website. 

[Luther]

11 hours ago, Keras said:

Revelation 19:11-21 is a clear description of how the Lord Jesus will return to the earth. He comes as a King and destroys the attackers of Jerusalem.  Then what? 

Revelation 20 says very plainly, six times; that there will be a thousand year period when the resurrected martyrs will be His priests. Only after the thousand years is over, does the final Judgment come. 

Why are these Prophesies dismissed and glossed over? 

Regarding the 7000 year Plan of God for mankind, that is proved by the fact of the exact 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, then another exact 2000 years Abraham to Jesus and now almost another 2000 years from His Ascension to His Return. Total 6000 years, then the Millennium and the final wrap up. You can view the additions on my website. 

I appreciate the discussion. I don't see many christians out there willing to defend what they believe by following through with scripture. 

Will check out your website. I believe the earth is older than 7000 years, and can explain why perhaps later on. 

"Why are these Prophesies dismissed and glossed over? " You say. On the contrary. You see, after so many years on this journey that God guides us on, I understand more and more the things that are REALLY important in this life as a believer. And staying close in His Word is top priority. It truly is the only thing we can take with us when we die. 

So the positions I've taken on various doctrines comes by prayer and a real desire to know the truth. There's only one truth. " Iron sharpeneth iron", and the Holy Spirit leads us to that truth. All of God's children will come to the knowledge of the truth. 

I think it's important that we establish the fact that Revelation 20 is unique from the rest of the Bible, that there is no reference whatsoever to a " literal" (thousand years) regarding  Christ and His kingdom anywhere else in scripture. 

Q: Do you agree? 

Edited December 14, 2024 by Luther
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