Why does Iran hate Jewish Israel?

[tatwo]

@Luther...

So you are suggesting that today Christ is ruling as Lord over…[amillennialism?]…China for example…or how about Russia…or maybe He is worshipped as King of kings over Europe today? Consider America…is the Lord Yahshua Christ enforcing His throne…which is His eternal power and authority…over America today?

I’ll tell you this Luther…if you look at this world today…soberly…and you append the “all the darkness” that has invaded the realm of earth…ruling increasingly at the highest seats and levels of “all” governments of man on the earth…to the rule of Christ…friend, you are an orphan. A fatherless soul fighting to keep what it is that you think you have obtained.

Brother…come on in out of the cold dark realm of spiritual fatherlessness…if you are a child of God…you have a Father who loves you and has set aside an inheritance uniquely for you…as an impartation of His own person…which He fully desires and intends to deliver to you personally so that you can know Him more intimately…and then make Him known to creation around you.

You need to understand this…and make sure you hear me if you can. In the day…that the King of kings and the Lord of lords…”Christ”…is ruling His creation from His throne over the earth…the darkness that is increasingly oppressing mankind today…will not be allowed to rule in the smallest of terms any longer. If it were to try to rise up…it will be greeted immediately by the “Rod of Iron.”

I marvel at just how blind the modern church going Christian who stumbles over this…actually is. This is a lack of continual spiritual maturity…which is not actually available to the church today. If they…the church…are not careful…they will put forth the “mother of harlots” as the “Bride of Christ” which of course is the religious deception and enslavement the whore of Babylon requires.

To even suggest…let alone argue, contend and attempt to twist the scripture to one’s preference…demanding that we are presently experiencing the eternal power and authority of the Mighty God in Christ…which is a rule of judgment that utterly incapacitates all other challengers. We are talking boot to the throat…”heel to the skull”…divine rule here, righteousness…holiness…which is the definition of “peace” no less…is to give expression to biblical and spiritual ignorance.

When Christ rules with an “Iron Rod” it becomes the antidote for all evil and sin which cannot exist and flourish…as we see that it does today on the earth and in the heavens. Additionally those that are His…will “rule with Him”…it will happen…but it has not yet happened…regardless of any mans perspective.

If you care to discuss the matter any further with me…we are going to have to approach the subject from a much wider scope or perspective of the Kingdom of God, the throne of God, and the righteous holy rule of the creator…than what I see from you here Luther.

Tatwo...:)

[WilliamL]

On 12/12/2024 at 5:20 PM, Luther said:

why did Iran strike Israel for the first time?

( Wikipedia): "Iran claimed that the attack was an act of "self-defense"[19][20] in retaliation for Israel's assassinations of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, and IRGC general Abbas Nilforoushan. ...

So do they (or anyone else for that matter) not have the right to retaliate? 

All of those leaders had initiated attacks against Israel, which made them legitimate military targets. Hezbollah fired a drone at, and caused damage to, Netanyahu's home. Iran has sponsored, supplied weapons to, and coordinated thousands of attacks upon the land of Israel. So does not Israel have the right to retaliate?

On 12/12/2024 at 5:20 PM, Luther said:

I have yet to see any extermination being carried out by Iran. Do they even have nuclear weapons?

They have vigorously and continually called for the extermination of Israel, and have tried to accomplish it by means of their well-funded and -armed proxy armies. If they had the means to accomplish their goal without bringing destruction upon their own people, they most certainly would have.

As to whether or not they have nuclear weapons, no one outside of them knows for sure. However, they have worked very closely with and funded North Korea in the development and testing of their nukes, so Iran almost certainly has all of the technological know-how needed to make nuclear weapons. 

One prophetic vision of the End Times from 45 years ago [Sarah Menet] showed that they will someday hit Israel with a nuclear missile fired from Libya. Which would be typical for the Iranians.

[Luther]

20 hours ago, Keras said:

2 Peter 3:10-11 is a Prophecy about the final Judgment, after the Millennium. Rev 20:9 & Rev 21:1

The rest of your quotes refer to the Day of the Lords wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. None of them say it will be the final end of the world. 

"None of them say it will be the final end of the world."

Really? Every verse pertaining to the final end of the world has to contain the language " this is the final end of the world"? You really don't believe that God reveals different elements of His word in different places that speak of the same thing?

Zephaniah 3:8
 ".....for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy."

2 Peter 3:10 

 "...     and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Psalms 50:3

"Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him."

Hebrews 12:29

"For our God is a consuming fire."

There are many other verses that share the same language, and all of them refer to  the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. And " fire" is  only one aspect.

You can take another aspect, such as the sun and moon not giving their light, and the stars withdrawing their shining. While I believe this has spiritual significance, let's say it is a literal event. Well, everywhere you find this language guess what...... it's right before the coming of the LORD. 

So in other words, each verse doesn't have to contain the same "statement" to qualify it. 

[Luther]

12 hours ago, tatwo said:

@Luther...

So you are suggesting that today Christ is ruling as Lord over…[amillennialism?]…China for example…or how about Russia…or maybe He is worshipped as King of kings over Europe today? Consider America…is the Lord Yahshua Christ enforcing His throne…which is His eternal power and authority…over America today?

I’ll tell you this Luther…if you look at this world today…soberly…and you append the “all the darkness” that has invaded the realm of earth…ruling increasingly at the highest seats and levels of “all” governments of man on the earth…to the rule of Christ…friend, you are an orphan. A fatherless soul fighting to keep what it is that you think you have obtained.

Brother…come on in out of the cold dark realm of spiritual fatherlessness…if you are a child of God…you have a Father who loves you and has set aside an inheritance uniquely for you…as an impartation of His own person…which He fully desires and intends to deliver to you personally so that you can know Him more intimately…and then make Him known to creation around you.

You need to understand this…and make sure you hear me if you can. In the day…that the King of kings and the Lord of lords…”Christ”…is ruling His creation from His throne over the earth…the darkness that is increasingly oppressing mankind today…will not be allowed to rule in the smallest of terms any longer. If it were to try to rise up…it will be greeted immediately by the “Rod of Iron.”

I marvel at just how blind the modern church going Christian who stumbles over this…actually is. This is a lack of continual spiritual maturity…which is not actually available to the church today. If they…the church…are not careful…they will put forth the “mother of harlots” as the “Bride of Christ” which of course is the religious deception and enslavement the whore of Babylon requires.

To even suggest…let alone argue, contend and attempt to twist the scripture to one’s preference…demanding that we are presently experiencing the eternal power and authority of the Mighty God in Christ…which is a rule of judgment that utterly incapacitates all other challengers. We are talking boot to the throat…”heel to the skull”…divine rule here, righteousness…holiness…which is the definition of “peace” no less…is to give expression to biblical and spiritual ignorance.

When Christ rules with an “Iron Rod” it becomes the antidote for all evil and sin which cannot exist and flourish…as we see that it does today on the earth and in the heavens. Additionally those that are His…will “rule with Him”…it will happen…but it has not yet happened…regardless of any mans perspective.

If you care to discuss the matter any further with me…we are going to have to approach the subject from a much wider scope or perspective of the Kingdom of God, the throne of God, and the righteous holy rule of the creator…than what I see from you here Luther.

Tatwo...:)

"So you are suggesting that today Christ is ruling as Lord over…[amillennialism?]…China for example…or how about Russia…or maybe He is worshipped as King of kings over Europe today....."

Oh no, of course not. The kingdom of God is with His people. His people, Christians, are still on earth. The kingdom of God is at this moment with us, as we reign with Christ :

Revelation 20:6

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

" A thousand years" is figurative language, not literal. It can symbolize  "completeness" or "fullness" of whatever is in view. In this case it is the reign of Christ on this current earth with His people, who reign with him on the earth:

Revelation 5:9-10

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

[10]And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

2 Timothy 2:12

If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

We are reigning with Christ right now. When He comes for us, we will reign with Him for ever in " new Jerusalem":

Revelation 21:23-27

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

[24]And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

[25]And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

[26]And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

[27]And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Luke 17:21

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Edited December 18, 2024 by Luther

[Luther]

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

All of those leaders had initiated attacks against Israel, which made them legitimate military targets. Hezbollah fired a drone at, and caused damage to, Netanyahu's home. Iran has sponsored, supplied weapons to, and coordinated thousands of attacks upon the land of Israel. So does not Israel have the right to retaliate?

They have vigorously and continually called for the extermination of Israel, and have tried to accomplish it by means of their well-funded and -armed proxy armies. If they had the means to accomplish their goal without bringing destruction upon their own people, they most certainly would have.

As to whether or not they have nuclear weapons, no one outside of them knows for sure. However, they have worked very closely with and funded North Korea in the development and testing of their nukes, so Iran almost certainly has all of the technological know-how needed to make nuclear weapons. 

One prophetic vision of the End Times from 45 years ago [Sarah Menet] showed that they will someday hit Israel with a nuclear missile fired from Libya. Which would be typical for the Iranians.

The question I raised is almost impossible for anyone to answer because it's all speculation. For many years Iran has always been on the brink of having a nuclear warhead . Like I said already, the United States would certainly know, and wipe out their capability. Maybe they will surprise all of us one day. All I can say is,  come Lord Jesus. Have mercy Lord have mercy on these war torn countries. 

[Keras]

3 hours ago, Luther said:

For our God is a consuming fire."

There are many other verses that share the same language, and all of them refer to  the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. And " fire" is  only one aspect.

Fire is never mentioned at the glorious Return of Jesus, Not in Rev 19:11-21, 20:1-3, only the Lake of Fire for the beast and the FP. Note that the corpses of the armies become food for the carrion eaters, NOT burned up. 

The terrible Day of fire and cosmic things, is the Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, at least 10 years before the Return. [Although fire is not mentioned at the Sixth Seal, the effects of it are and over 70 other prophesies describe His fiery wrath on that Day]

After the Milennium God will send fire to destroy all the ungodly and then comes the new heavens and earth, Rev 21:1

[Desopixi Seilynam]

5 hours ago, Keras said:

Fire is never mentioned at the glorious Return of Jesus, Not in Rev 19:11-21, 20:1-3, only the Lake of Fire for the beast and the FP. Note that the corpses of the armies become food for the carrion eaters, NOT burned up. 

But with righteousness shall He judge the poor, and decide with uprightness for the meek of the earth: and He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
and with the breath of His lips shall He slay the wicked.
Isaiah 11:4

The light of the sun shall be sevenfold,
in the day that the Lord binds up the breach of His people...
Behold the Word of the Lord comes from far
burning with His anger, and the burden thereof (what He says) is heavy:
His lips are full of indignation, and His tongue as a devouring fire.
Isaiah 30:26-27

And the Lord shall cause His glorious voice to be heard...
with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering
and tempest, and hailstones.
For through the voice of the Lord shall the Assyrian be crushed.
Isaiah 30:30-31

thou Bethlehem... out of thee shall come He who is to be ruler in Israel....
And this man shall be the peace when the Assyrian comes into our land
Micah 5:2-5

Unto you who fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise...
you shall trample down the wicked, they shall be ashes under your feet
in the day that I do this says the Lord.
Malachi 4:3-4  ( also Psalms 58:10 )

To you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky,
in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ
2 Thess 1:7-10

 

The birds will have well cooked meat to eat.
Some bodies will turn to complete ash, some will cook,
some will be beaten up and bloodied by the hailstones.
A mix of blood bodies and ash is described,
the result of fire and hailstones being poured down.

What Revelation 19 reveals to us in a grand way is that
Jesus is The Lord.

Revelation 19 is a description of the final fruition of Isaiah 30 coming to pass.
The beast and false prophet being the final leaders of spiritual Assyria.
The Lord destroying them with His voice, which in context with previous
clear prophecy, means fire and brimstone.
 

[Keras]

8 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

But with righteousness shall He judge the poor, and decide with uprightness for the meek of the earth: and He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
and with the breath of His lips shall He slay the wicked.
Isaiah 11:4

The light of the sun shall be sevenfold,
in the day that the Lord binds up the breach of His people...
Behold the Word of the Lord comes from far
burning with His anger, and the burden thereof (what He says) is heavy:
His lips are full of indignation, and His tongue as a devouring fire.
Isaiah 30:26-27

And the Lord shall cause His glorious voice to be heard...
with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering
and tempest, and hailstones.
For through the voice of the Lord shall the Assyrian be crushed.
Isaiah 30:30-31

thou Bethlehem... out of thee shall come He who is to be ruler in Israel....
And this man shall be the peace when the Assyrian comes into our land
Micah 5:2-5

Unto you who fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise...
you shall trample down the wicked, they shall be ashes under your feet
in the day that I do this says the Lord.
Malachi 4:3-4  ( also Psalms 58:10 )

To you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky,
in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ
2 Thess 1:7-10

 

The birds will have well cooked meat to eat.
Some bodies will turn to complete ash, some will cook,
some will be beaten up and bloodied by the hailstones.
A mix of blood bodies and ash is described,
the result of fire and hailstones being poured down.

What Revelation 19 reveals to us in a grand way is that
Jesus is The Lord.

Revelation 19 is a description of the final fruition of Isaiah 30 coming to pass.
The beast and false prophet being the final leaders of spiritual Assyria.
The Lord destroying them with His voice, which in context with previous
clear prophecy, means fire and brimstone.
 

A confused mish-mash of various scriptures and an impossible conclusion. 

There is plenty of Prophesies in the OT about how the Lord will punish His enemies with fire, but the NT as well reiterates it: 2 Peter 3:7. Hebrews 1:27, Matthew 3:12,+

[Desopixi Seilynam]

16 hours ago, Keras said:

A confused mish-mash of various scriptures and an impossible conclusion. 

It is in order.
Isaiah 11:14, Isaiah 30:26-27 30-31, Micah 5:2-5, Malachi 4:3-4,
2 Thess 1:7-10, Revelation 19:14-21    They all speak of the same day.

What I was addressing is the notion that fire is not associated with the return
of Jesus, and all the above scripture makes clear that fire is associated with the return of Jesus.

And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky
in flaming fire taking vengeance....
2 Thess 1:7-10

 

A timeline of events; 

Gaza, Syria, Iran, Jordan.... the border. 
Babylons trap sprung, ww3.
The anti-Christ is a world wide deception, not an obvious tyrant.
Jesus is not a humanoid alien from another planet.

[Keras]

2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 is not a Prophecy about the glorious Return.  Proved by how the Lord is only revealed to His own people. 

The Sixth Seal is plainly some time before Jesus Returns. Why must you make it all happen at the Return? 

Obviously you don't read the many Prophesies which tell us there will be no war, as the Lord will send fire to destroy His [and our] enemies. Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms 11:4-6