Jesus coming on a white horse in Revelation 19 is not the second coming

[Revelation Man]

On 5/24/2024 at 10:57 AM, The Light said:

I've been saying two raptures for ten years. It seems you don't read my posts. Just thing logically. Why do you think there are 144,000 first fruits. The are 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest. If they represented all of Israel as you claim, then all of Israel would be in heaven before the wrath of God.

I probably just thought you were conflating the issues, it makes zero sense at all to be honest brother.

The 144,000 are the First-fruits of the Wheat Harvest. Its all ONE HARVEST, the people of God vs. the Wicked. But there are first-fruits from every crop. The Barley (Church) the Wheat (Israel) and the Grapes (the Wicked). Remember, there are only two resurrection, the Righteous and the Wicked.

On 5/24/2024 at 10:57 AM, The Light said:

All of the trumpets are wrath.

On 5/22/2024 at 2:57 PM, Revelation Man said:

All 7 Trumps are the ONLY WRATH. The Vials emit from the 7th Trump.

On 5/24/2024 at 10:57 AM, The Light said:

Seals 1 thru 4 are the beginning of sorrows shown in Matthew 24

No they are not, Matt. 24:4-13 is about the Disciples lives ONLY, vs. 14 is about the Rapture of the church, ONLY THEN does the 70th week begin. Rev. 4:1 says this is the HEREAFTER, after the Church Age which was the THINGS THAT ARE. You guys take one verse about Jesus not being found in Heaven, then refuse to listen when  I say it also says he was also not found on earth nor under the Earth, leaving him as the NOWHERE MAN. Jesus was not seen because he was the Slain LAMB on the sacrificial altar.

No Seals are not opened until the 70th week  and the DO NOTHING anyway, its symbolism, Jesus could have just as easily told the Church in heaven that God's Wrath was nigh at hand, and this is what the Beast will do (Seals 1-5, The Four Horses and the Martyrs under the altar) and this is what God's coming wrath will bring (Seal #6) then tell them about the 7 Trumps of justice/wrath which will come as soon as the 1/3 of Israel repent and Flee Judea (Rev. 7).

On 5/24/2024 at 10:57 AM, The Light said:

Seal 5 is the great tribulation.

On 5/22/2024 at 2:57 PM, Revelation Man said:

Its Jesus FORETELLING how Martyrs who nae yet to die, will desire vengeance, but are told specifically they must wait a little season (42 months) UNTIL ALL THERE BROTHERS HAVE BEEN KILLED AS THEY HAVE !! So, they get no vengeance until AFTER the Beasts 42 month rule, which means NO ONE from the 70th week troubles gets Raptured !!! NO ONE !!

By the way the two rapture theory, at least to me, is not even a debatable point.

On 5/24/2024 at 10:57 AM, The Light said:

Seal 6 is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 and Revelation 14. The signs of the sun, moon and stars happen before the wrath of God, just as Joel says.

No, you just do not get the timing at all. Matt. 24:30 is the 2nd coming/advent and Matt. 24:36-51 is the Rapture. Both are in Rev. 14, the Wheat = Israel also known as the 144,000 or the (5 million Jews) 1/3 in Zech. 13:8-9. And the pre 70th week rapture can be seen in a FLASHBACK in vs. 14. But none of these happen at the 6th Seal. You are confused my brother, when you get to heaven you will be like I should have listened to ole Rev. Man. 

On 5/24/2024 at 10:57 AM, The Light said:

The trumpets and vials happen in the same timeframe. They are the wrath of God. There is different information given in the vials as opposed to the trumpets. It is two separate visions of the same timeframe. We see the same things at the end of the trumpets and vials as they are the same timeframe.

No they do not happen at the SAME TIME. The 7 Vials ae the 3rd Woe. Rev. 8:13 says the Three Woes yet to come will only come when the final three Trumps are sounded. This is so easy to understand, if one lays down his own thoughts.

The 7 Seals OPEN God's Wrath Scroll

The 7 Trumps are God's WRATH in total

The 7 Vials emit forth from the 7th Trump and FINISH OFF God's Wrath.

Trumps 1-4 are all about ONE ASTEROID IMPACT, so it all happens fast

Rev. 8:13 then says the Three Woes will emit from the last three Trumps

We then see the First Woe emits when the 5th Trump Sounds

We see the 2nd Woe emits when the 6th Trump sounds

So, that means Woe #3 has to emit when the 7th Trump sounds. Thus the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe which Rev. 11 says COMETH QUICKLY. 

You over think it all, once you have been shown it, then it should be an easy see.

On 5/24/2024 at 10:57 AM, The Light said:

Revelation 11

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Now I will explain this in full and VIVID DETAIL, as only I can do. 

We need to add in TWO VERSES Rev. 14-15 below, but now you being CONFLATED or confused on the Trumps happening at the SAME TIME as the Vials makes much more sense, but here is why you are in error, the 7 Vials ARE the 7th Trump !!! But they come after Trumps 1-6 not at the same time, because Trump #7 of course comes after Trumps 1-6, the Asteroid Impact (Trumps 1-4) the 1st Woe (Trump #5) the 2nd Woe (Trump #6) and finally the the 3rd Woe or 7 Vials (Trump #7). 

(HERE follow the RED) Rev. 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,(but ONLY after the 7 Vials comes to pass which are shown in Rev. 16) and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

 

Revelation 1618 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jerusalem/Earthquake when Jesus returns), and the cities of the nations fell(The Kings of the Whole World falls to Jesus): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.(Babylon is Satan's Dark Kingdom of Confusion over the WHOLE WORLD and all its Kings)

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Of COURSE Trump #7 is the same as the 7 Vials !! That is what I have been telling you for years. Because the 7th Trump is the the 7 Vials, they come forth from the 7th Trump, so in Rev. 11 you get the victory announcement with out all of the DETAILS, but in Rev. 16 you get the DETAILS. Just like the 2nd Woe in also mentioned in Rev. 11 but we get the DETAILS of the 200 million Angelic Army slaying the 1/3 who have taken the Mark of the Beast is Rev. 9 !! That is my point, Rev. 11 is a Parenthetical Citation Chapter the REAL TIME EVENTS happen in Rev. 8, 9 and 16.

Sure Rev. 16 matches the 7th Trump in Rev. 7 it is the SAME THING, the Vials come forth from the Sounding of the 7th Trump. Whereas in the 5th Trump what emitted was the Demons from the bottomless pit (1st Woe) and whereas what emitted from the 6th Trump was the 200 Million Angelic Army bringing plagues that killed the 1/3 (2nd Woe). So, YES.........you see it but you conflate it with the Vials and Trumps all being parallel, they ARE NOT, what you see is the 7 Vials ARE the 7th Trump and they also ARE the 3rd Woe.

S0, this is why people get off-tracked. You take a GIVEN and do not grasp it in full. Of course Trump #7 and the 7 Vials (and the 3rd Woe) are all ONE AND THE SAME !! But all three come AFTER the first 6 Trumps Sound !!

 

 

 

Edited May 27, 2024 by Revelation Man

[WilliamL]

On 5/24/2024 at 2:54 PM, Revelation Man said:

You can listen or not, but I will be correct on all these things in the very end my friend. 

You will instead be humiliated, unless you repudiate much of what you have taught. But if you pay close attention to the events that come to pass in the period from Daniel 11:40 to 11:44, then you will have that chance.

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

What you have posted is not all, only partial.  Scripture says ALL. Whose names are not written in the Lambs Book of Life. Those who remain at that particular point of time. 

In Christ 

 Montana Marv 

You do not decipher it well in this instance my friend. All those who worship the Beast will not be in the book of life. Nowhere does that insist that has to be over the entire world, just the entire earth [being spoken about]. Which I can prove.

Daniel 2:38 And wheresoever 3606 x1768 the children 1123 of men 606 dwell, 1753 z8748 the beasts 2423 of the field 1251 and the fowls 5776 of the heaven 8065 hath he given 3052 z8754 into thine hand, 3028 and hath made thee ruler 7981 z8684 over them all. 3606 Thou 607 [art] this x1932 head 7217 of x1768 gold. 1722

וּבָתְרָךְ תְּקוּם מַלְכוּ אָחֳרִי אֲרַעא מִנָּךְ וּמַלְכוּ *תְלִיתָיָא [תְלִיתָאָה] אָחֳרִי דִּי נְחָשָׁא דִּי תִשְׁלַט בְּכָל־אַרְעָא

 Daniel 2:39 And after 870 thee shall arise 6966 z8748 another 317 kingdom 4437 inferior 772 to x4481 thee, y4481 and another 317 third 8523 kingdom 4437 of x1768 brass, 5174 which x1768 shall bear rule 7981 z8748 over all 3606 the earth. 772

  #3606 כֹּל kol (Aramaic) {kole}

 corresponding to H3605; TWOT - 2789; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

 1) all, whole, the whole
    1a) the whole of, all
    1b) every, any, none
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

 #0772 אֲרַע 'ara` (Aramaic) {ar-ah'}

 corresponding to H0776; TWOT - 2610; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

 1) earth, world, ground
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

So, its not really the WHOLE EARTH, its only the WHOLE GROUND being tagged or designated, and we know what this is via the 7 Heads and 10 Horns MONIKER that it is given. We can look back at Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome and see they all have one thing in common, all 6 were "Beasting over" Israel and some of the Mediterranean Sea Region. But Rome Beasted over ALL THE LAND surrounding the Mediterranean Sea (The Beasts all arise from the Sea and that is the Mediterranean Sea ONLY). 

Dan. 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Rev. 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns(Egypt to Rome AND the A.C. who is over the E.U./10), and upon his horns ten crowns(Complete E.U. reunited = 10), and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death(Rome conquered by the Church who gave it the Mortal Wound); and his deadly wound was healed:(When the A.C. conquers Israel the Beast again lives or ARISES out of the Mediterranean Sea) and all the world (SEE BELOW, Greek word Ge 1093 was used)  wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

#1093 γῆ ge {ghay} contracted from a root word; TDNT - 1:677,116; n f

—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) arable land 2) the ground, the earth as a standing place 3) the main land as opposed to the sea or water. 

Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth(Designated LAND being spoken about via the 7 heads and 10 horned Mediterranean Sea Region, ONLY) shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Edited May 28, 2024 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

On 5/24/2024 at 11:44 AM, The Light said:

When the first seal is opened the rider on the white horse goes forth. When the second seal is opened peace is taken from the earth. None of the 1st 6 seals has anything to do with the wrath of God which is the 7th seal. As each seal is opened an event happens. The 1st 6 seal can be seen in Matthew 24. Then the tribulation is over and the wrath of God begins when the 7th seal is opened.

You saying this ONE TIME or a  million times is not going to change the facts that this is Jesus FORETELLING what's coming once ALL 7 SEALS are off, it so amuses me that Jesus is OPENING the SEALS and its not going to ever register with you that all 7 Seals have to be off else why use a 7 Seal Metaphor? Its mind boggling tbh.

So, if Jesus had used a modern day terminology could you have gotten it? Lets say Jesus has 7 TRUMPS in a CLOSET, and it has 7 LOCKS on the closet, if Jesus had sent the Covering Angel with a vision of COME AND SEE, and as one lock is taken off he tells about the Anti-Christ Conquering, lying, murdering, stealing, and as lock 2 was taken off he tells about a coming Asteroid that starts God's Wrath, then as lock 3 comes off Jesus foretells about Famine and Death, then as  lock 4 comes off Jesus describes a coming Darkness, then with Locks 5 & 6 he speaks of COMING Woes !! Then as the 7th Lock comes off he opens the door, passes the Trumps to the Angels and thus God's Wrath is now at hand. A Seal was used in the same manner as a lock today, it bound up a message until all 7 Seals were off. In the end, I am correct, and you will find out very, very soon.

So, lets amend your theorem, as the First Seal comes off Jesus tells about the soon to come Anti-Christs actions on earth. Same with Seals 2-5, then Jesus foretells of God's soon to come wrath via Seal #6. There are NO SEALS in Matt. 24:4-13, nor any Trumps its all PRE 70th week.

On 5/24/2024 at 11:44 AM, The Light said:

This is a complete corruption of what the Word of God says. You should only see one seal and not seven.

After the 1st seal is opened that parchment is removed and read which then exposes the second seal which can be removed and read..............AND SO ON. As each seal is opened the event of the seal occurs. The seventh seal cannot be opened until the 6th seal is complete. The seventh seal contains the trumpets of wrath. The wrath of God and the great tribulation are completely different time frames.

that's just wrong, no one put one seal on where parts of a message could be read as one seal was taken off, LOOK IT UP, research it. The Scroll is SEALED COMPLETELY. Who comes up with this kind of logic? Those who have to hold on to ideas that can't be defended. 

So, King Richard sends a Message with Three Signet Sealed by a Waxed Ring. But he does so where if one signet seal breaks part of the message can be read. Get out brother. That is not how it worked, at all, come on. 

On 5/24/2024 at 11:44 AM, The Light said:

You think, as most others, that the 144,000 are sealed to go through the wrath of God. They are not. They are sealed because they are believer and are caught up and are before the throne as the 1st fruits of the second harvest. If you understood Revelation 14 you would understand that the 144,000 are sealed and in heaven before the great tribulation which is the 5th seal.

They are the 1/3 Israel who REPENTS and then FLEES Judea !! 

On 5/24/2024 at 11:44 AM, The Light said:

Whoa..........Whoa. I see no verses in the Word that says that the wrath of God lasts 42 month. The wrath of God last one year according to scripture.

Do you have any scripture to support your claim?

Are you kidding me? You do not understand God's Wrath falling at the 1260 middle of the week event? Well, no wonder your timing on everything 70th week is off kilter !! Why do you think God gives references to 1260 days and 42 months over and over Daniel and Revelation? 

The Beast is only allowed to GO FORTH at the exact same time that God's Wrath falls. He is God's instrument to make the 1/3 repent, because they see what is coming and flee 30 days before he comes to power (at the 1260) at the 1290 AoD(They flee at the 1290...not the 1260). And the 2/3 who refuse to repent will be killed or wiped out. 

God's Wrath parallels with the Beasts 42 month reign of terror. In the midst of it we get the 1st Woe that lasts 5 months. In Rev. 18, Babylon who gets Judged, is the whole world being Judged. And it states her Judgment will come in ONE DAY and in ONE HOUR in verses 8 and 10. Well, the Day of the Lord is NOT one day its one day in which God's Wrath starts on, so the DOTL lasts 1260 days. Then the one hour is understood by reading Rev. 17:12, the 10 kings (E.U) rule ONE HOUR with the Beast who we know rules 42 months. So, Babylon (The WHOLE WORLD) being judged in ONE HOUR means over a 42 month period of time. It amazes me people read THE GREATEST EVER book (Revelation) of Codes, Metaphors and Symbolism, and do not grasp those Codes, Metaphors and Symbolism. You need to start over on all this brother, and take a deeper dive. I will be proven correct, very, very soon. 

On 5/24/2024 at 11:44 AM, The Light said:

Seals 1 thru 4 are the beginning of sorrows of Matthew 24. Seal 5 is the great tribulation and seal 6 is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 for the harvest prior to the seal 7 wrath of God.

On 5/22/2024 at 2:57 PM, Revelation Man said:

No they ARE NOT !! The Birth Pangs means you are birthing the baby, once the 70th week comes there are no longer birth pangs. In Matt. 24 verses 7-8 are throw away lines, meaning they are not really germane to the subject Jesus is speaking about, the Disciples lives and how the Church must survive, AND lastly how the Disciples will all die as Martyrs, save John. Why do I say throw away lines?  Because in vs. 6 Jesus tells them THE END IS NOT YET, meaning its much, much later on, do not come rushing back during the 67-70 AD wars with Rome, or you and the Church who follows you will be killed. Hence in order to get them to SEE THIS CLEARLY............He tells them in verses 7-8 that MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY other things that have to happen first before the 70th week end times can come upon the world. 

Thus in verses 7-8 he says A Woman will give birth to a baby (70th week end-times) BUT before that can happen, here are the PANGS she must go through, Nation must Rise against Nation  (clan vs. clan/race vs. race/ethos) and Kingdom must rise against Kingdom. BOOM, Rome outlawed that via their Pax Romanus. There must not only be earthquakes but many, many earthquakes, there has to be FAMINE GALORE, etc. etc. So verses 7-8 were merely DEMONSTRATIONS why verse 6 could not be the end, nothing more, thus the Disciples knew not to go rushing back to Jerusalem lest they be killed and the church with them would have vanished.

That is all verses 7-8 is meant to do, nothing more, just to teach the Disciple the END IS NOT YET !! Then Jesus goes right back into the Disciples lives, telling them they would be betrayed by brothers (weak ones) when Rome came against them via the cries of the Jupiter/Zeus type false prophets, and they would all be killed. Jesus foretold this so they would be ready, then WARNS THEM, that only he who endures until the end [of ones life] will be saved. In other words, do not turn Judas on me or else. So, you are just in error here friend of many years.

On 5/24/2024 at 11:44 AM, The Light said:

The 7 trumpets are the wrath of God. We get a different view of the same timeframe in the vials. Same timeframe, different information. Two different visions of the same timeframe.

The 1st 6 seals are seen in Revelation 13 and 14.

The 7th seal is seen in Revelation 8-11 and a different view in Revelation 15 and 16

I explained this earlier today, no use rehashing a perfecto post. 

Edited May 28, 2024 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

You will instead be humiliated, unless you repudiate much of what you have taught. But if you pay close attention to the events that come to pass in the period from Daniel 11:40 to 11:44, then you will have that chance.

I understand Prophecy, its my calling of 40 years. I will do a thread one day that names everything that's going to happen, bookmark it, since you will make the Rapture with us it will be a mute point. However everything I say is going to come to pass. I just understand it very clearly. 

If one finally grasps the 1290 and the 1335 they can move into my neighborhood. Until then they can't understand End Time Eschatology in full until they understand the 1335 is the Two-witnesses, the 1290 is the False Prophet (Jewish High Priest like unto Jason under Antiochus) and the A.C. only becomes the Beast 30 days later at the 1260 conquering of Israel. 

When I see those who can't get the Raptures timing correct I already expect they can not see what I am going to say on these things, it is what it is. Look I didn't see it for nigh 35 years myself, so you not being where I am at is what it is my friend. However that's not to change anything. I would never dare be bold enough to say this or that unless I knew 100 percent, that is not my style. But once the holy spirit gives me something, 1000 horses couldn't persuade me not to tell God's truths. God did not tell me in vision  in 1986 that the "Man of Sin is here" for no reason. 

Once you see everything I stated was factual, it may be too late to tell others. That is our job, to tell others. I am doing mi ne now. 

[Montana Marv]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You do not decipher it well in this instance my friend. All those who worship the Beast will not be in the book of life. Nowhere does that insist at has to be over the entire world, just the entire earth [being spoken about]. Which I can prove.

Does not need deciphering.  You wear some golden glasses so you can decipher more clearly.  40 years of calling or study in Revelation for you means very little to me.  You may have 60 - 70 percent correct; but nothing close to 100%.  You boast too much.  I may have about 42 years experience in Revelation.  I don't boast.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Revelation Man]

14 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Does not need deciphering.  You wear some golden glasses so you can decipher more clearly.  40 years of calling or study in Revelation for you means very little to me.  You may have 60 - 70 percent correct; but nothing close to 100%.  You boast too much.  I may have about 42 years experience in Revelation.  I don't boast.

In Christ

Preaching God's truths with confidence is not boasting. The World will never be un der ONE MAN'S RULE. China has Nukes, Russia has Nukes. God gives this man a unique ability to go after Israel, in order to get them to repent, the 70 weeks are DESIGNED to do just that right? 

So, the USA has to fall, we are busy bodies in  world affairs. That is why we spend like drunken sailors, Satan is behind all of this spending and bringing in illegals, it makes no sense in the natural world. So, our economy collapses, now the E.U. will have to put forth a standing army because they see Russia as a threat, which it is. Russia sees bounty in Israel, Natural Gas in abundance, a great port etc. etc. and Israel will undermine the Russian gas sales soon. Russia, Iran and Turkey along with some token African nations will come after Israel(Gog & Magog) , and God will destroy 5/6 of their armies says the bible. So, now with a collapsed USA economy, and with the E.U. the "STRONG MAN" in the region, the E.U. will talk Israel into joining the E.U. (God may even make it appear the E.U. saved Israel's bacon) but with the insistence that they have to give up their Nukes.

Think of Hawaii being protected by the USA we would never allow the Gov. of Hawaii to have the Nuke or the codes to the Nukes, we are their protectors so to speak. That is what the E.U. will sell Israel. They will join the E.U. (that is the Dan. 9:27 AGREEMENT/Covenant). Now, Israel has ANGERED God, its not their land, it is His land !! Thus the 70th week kicks off, and the Rapture (Pre Trib.) happens all at the same time.

Remember as Dan. 11:40-45 goes down (the A.C. conquering Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region.....THE MANY) the A.C. hears of dangers in the East and North (China & Russia). This is probably Nuclear threats, telling him if he makes a move towards them in any way they will use their nukes. At this very time, in the middle of the week, an Asteroid has already hit on the Pacific Coast just off of the California and Mexico coastline(Apophis April 13, 2029). So, a USA already in decline will then be in chaos when this asteroid judgment of Rev. 8 hits. The Church has been gone at that point for 3.5 years, now Judgment has the New World burning. The A.C. will not rule anything in the New World, God takes it out for him. He takes out Russia, Iran and Turkey's standing Armies. Just like Jesus' path was made straight, so will the Anti-Christs path will be made straight also, of course, he is an instrument in God's hands, see Isaiah 10, it clearly says as much, the Assyrian is God's instrument. 

The goal is simple, kill every Jew on earth, thus you come after them all over the world in order to get them all to move to Israel where you can find the easier. That is why all the Kings end up at Armageddon, the A.C. does not need to rule the whole world to "try" and achieve this, only the Mediterranean Sea Region. Sometimes we have to go to the 10,000 foot view. 

Edited May 28, 2024 by Revelation Man

[Montana Marv]

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The World will never be un der ONE MAN'S RULE. China has Nukes, Russia has Nukes. God gives this man a unique ability to go after Israel, in order to get them to repent, the 70 weeks are DESIGNED to do just that right? 

Digest Rev 13:7b,8 and repeat it 10 times - he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.  All the inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast - ALL whose names have not been written in the Lambs Book of Life.

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The goal is simple, kill every Jews, that is why all the Kings end up at Armageddon, the A.C. does not need to rule the whole world to "try" and achieve this, only the Mediterranean Sea Region. Sometimes we have to go to the 10,000 foot view. 

Evidently you missed Satan/Dragon ruling for the second 1260 day period.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Digest Rev 13:7b,8 and repeat it 10 times - he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.  All the inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast - ALL whose names have not been written in the Lambs Book of Life.

You miss it brother, not trying to be "redundant" here my friend, but you refuse to incorporate the the parameters that are laid out in the first 3-4 verses.

I saw a Beast ARISE FROM THE SEA (Mediterranean Sea) and it looked like a Lion(Babylon), a Bear(Persia) and a Leopard(Greece), and had a Mortal Wound (Rome) and was healed 

Babylon the Lion covered a fourth of the Mediterranean Coastline

Persia the Bear covered about a third of the Mediterranean Coastline

Greece the Leopard covered close to half of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline

Rome (Mortal Wound) meanwhile ruled the whole Mediterranean Sea Coastline 

The Anti-Christ will rule the exact same landmass, once the E.U. Conquers Turkey, Israel and the nations they currently have agreements with (which just so happen to run in 7 year cycles on the site !! Hmmm) which are Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Morocco and Algeria, or Israel and THE MANY as it is better known  as in Dan. 8:25 and Dan. 9:27. These "Agreements" can be seen under the guise of "The European Neighborhood Policy" online in many, many places, even on Wikipedia. 

We can see this Conquering Event in Dan. 11:40-43. Once the E.U. Anti-Christ goes forth Conquering the Beast that had the Mortal Wound (Rome) will be revived as the E.U. and their Mediterranean Sea Neighbors whom they conquer.

The E.U., Israel and THE MANY, on a map (after Dan. 11:40-43)

Now do you see what Dan. 7:7-8 is saying and why? The 10 horns (Complete E.U. Revived) arise or reunite and a MAN (A.C.) is born amidst or amongst them, so he is born in the E.U. (in Greece according to Dan. 8:9). So, he arises out of the 10 horns of old Rome because the landmass continues just as it was if you take out the Church Age !! But THE ABOVE is why Greece is said to conquer ALL THE EARTH [spoken about via the parameters we are given above in those maps]. This Anti-Christ is born in Greece and thus in the E.U. thus ONLY NOW (the end times) does Greece fulfill their role as Dan. 2:39 states, they will conquer the whole earth (Land being spoken about only, as shown above) Rome also did this, and will do it again through the A.C. who heals the Mortal Wound when he conquers Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region again. 

He was given authority over EVERY Tribe, Peoples, Language and Nation, in the Mediterranean Sea Region PARAMETERS given above. In that Region alone!! Why do you think in each case the Beast is described with 7 Heads and 10 Horns? Because its is covering THAT REGION ALONE !! That earth being spoken of is the land around the Sea mentioned. In each case we can see that, then in Rev. 13 we see it arise and God is trying to knock us over the head with this info, he's saying this 7 Headed Beast is Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, and the Man of Sin, with the other two Beasts of course being Egypt & Assyria. So, hes telling ua its in TH9S REGION ALONE, over and over, then in Dan. 11:40-45 God explains it all, he never mentions any nations except Turkey (Dan. 8:9) The countries he goes through to get at Israel in Dan. 11:40-43 (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan...and Turkey also of course), then he conquers Israel, and then he conquers all of North Africa in Daniel  11:40-43 (Egypt, Libya and the Ethiopians, which amounted to all of North Africa back then. The only places he can not conquer in the Mediterranean Sea Region is Moab, Ammon and Edom, which just so happens to be where the Petra/Bozrah area is that the 1/3 Israel escapes unto.

Then all we get is this below, which shows he conquers ONLY the above nations.

Dan.11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him:(China & Russia start threatening him so he speeds up his conquering of the region) therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain;(The A.C. builds a palace between the Dead Sea and Mediterranean Sea, in Jerusalem) yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. (Jesus shows up and slays the A.C. & False Prophet)

Nowhere does it show this Man of Sin Beast conquering anywhere but in the Mediterranean Sea Region.

[The Light]

On 5/27/2024 at 11:43 AM, Revelation Man said:

I probably just thought you were conflating the issues, it makes zero sense at all to be honest brother.

The 144,000 are the First-fruits of the Wheat Harvest. Its all ONE HARVEST, the people of God vs. the Wicked. But there are first-fruits from every crop. The Barley (Church) the Wheat (Israel) and the Grapes (the Wicked). Remember, there are only two resurrection, the Righteous and the Wicked.

Barley is the dead in Christ. Wheat is the alive that remained. Grapes are Israel

Hosea 9

10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

On 5/27/2024 at 11:43 AM, Revelation Man said:

All 7 Trumps are the ONLY WRATH. The Vials emit from the 7th Trump.

Nope. The trumps and vial happen in the timeframe known as the wrath of God.

On 5/27/2024 at 11:43 AM, Revelation Man said:

 

By the way the two rapture theory, at least to me, is not even a debatable point.

There are two raptures. The grain harvest is made up of barley and wheat, the spring and summers harvests

The fall fruit harvest is when the last trump is blown. It will be when the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth are raptured.

On 5/27/2024 at 11:43 AM, Revelation Man said:

No, you just do not get the timing at all. Matt. 24:30 is the 2nd coming/advent and Matt. 24:36-51 is the Rapture. Both are in Rev. 14, the Wheat = Israel also known as the 144,000 or the (5 million Jews) 1/3 in Zech. 13:8-9.

Let just use common sense. Do you really think that the wheat harvest occurs at the same time the grapes are harvested?

On 5/27/2024 at 11:43 AM, Revelation Man said:

Now I will explain this in full and VIVID DETAIL, as only I can do. 

I'm going to have to agree here...........

On 5/27/2024 at 11:43 AM, Revelation Man said:

We need to add in TWO VERSES Rev. 14-15 below, but now you being CONFLATED or confused on the Trumps happening at the SAME TIME as the Vials makes much more sense, but here is why you are in error, the 7 Vials ARE the 7th Trump !!!

This is just not true. Christ has already set up His kingdom on earth at the 7th trumpet. 

Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

On 5/27/2024 at 11:43 AM, Revelation Man said:

 

(HERE follow the RED) Rev. 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,(but ONLY after the 7 Vials comes to pass which are shown in Rev. 16) and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

This is again where you get out your sledgehammer to make things fit. The 7 vials happen in the same timeframe as the trumpets. This timeframe is the wrath of God.

On 5/27/2024 at 11:43 AM, Revelation Man said: