Justice at the judgement

[Desopixi Seilynam]

What actually happens at the judgement seat of Christ?

First, let us pretend Hitler said a prayer to Jesus in his bunker, does he get into heaven for saying a prayer sincerely?
"Oh Lord Jesus, I realize I was wrong in all of this, please forgive me... I repent.... ... what else can I do Lord,
please! ...."  Would such a sincere prayer from Hitler have been enough to get him into heaven?

For those who would say yes, then we arrive at the judgement seat of Christ in an interesting way.

What is the justice that would happen?

Hitler would get no crowns, cry during the award ceremony, and sit in the corner somewhere, but yet in heaven, immortal living forever?
He gets in but is turned into a literal pillar of the temple in heaven, conscious, but just a nice piece of stone?
Or Matthew 22:11-13 would apply in such a situation?

 

 

 

For we must all stand before the judgement seat of Christ,
that everyone may receive the things done in their body, according to what they have done,
whether they receive good or bad
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men
2 Corinthians 5:10-11

It is not an award ceremony. It is the terror of the Lord.

Because Christ died for all, that they which live should henceforth
not live unto themselves but unto Him that died for them and rose again.
2 Corinthians 5:15

 

 

[Who me]

Jesus paid the penalty for our sins, so the vilest  offender the moment he believes, that moment a pardon from Jesus receives.

An old hymn that speaks of salvation.

We will be judged on how we have served Jesus as 1cor3:10-15 says, and there are different  rewards for us in heaven.

[In the Clouds]

Judging is definitely above my pay grade.  But, here is something to consider...

Who was one of the biggest anti-Christs and committed horrific acts of genocide?  Saul/Paul.  Consider how he was turned about and became one of the great disciples and Christians.  What did Jesus do?  He turned evil and used it for good. 

[enoob57]

No one... no matter how good they think they have done, wants justice or shouldn't

1 Peter 3:18 (KJV)

[18] For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 

[Ray12614]

Last minutes conversion by Hitler ? ? ?  Well, IF that happened, and it was genuine, then I have to say that he is saved based upon the Mercy of God, and the power of the Holy Spirit, and especially the payment for sin made by Jesus Himself. Anything else would be 'works based' salvation, and that cannot happen because the justice of God passed all penalty of sin upon Jesus upon the cross.

Aren't you glad that all of your pre-salvation sins are gone and will never be brought up at the Bema Seat of Christ???

I am . . . 

[farouk]

10 minutes ago, Ray12614 said:

Last minutes conversion by Hitler ? ? ?  Well, IF that happened, and it was genuine, then I have to say that he is saved based upon the Mercy of God, and the power of the Holy Spirit, and especially the payment for sin made by Jesus Himself. Anything else would be 'works based' salvation, and that cannot happen because the justice of God passed all penalty of sin upon Jesus upon the cross.

Aren't you glad that all of your pre-salvation sins are gone and will never be brought up at the Bema Seat of Christ???

I am . . . 

Sometimes examples are not too compelling, even if the quite separate doctrinal aspect is Scriptural. Particularly, the families of those who perished in the concentration camps might not find the example remotely compelling.

[farouk]

There is also the difference between the great white throne in Revelation 20 and the judgment seat of Christ in 2 Corinthians 5 (where it is the service of believers that is in view).

[Ray12614]

4 hours ago, farouk said:

Sometimes examples are not too compelling, even if the quite separate doctrinal aspect is Scriptural. Particularly, the families of those who perished in the concentration camps might not find the example remotely compelling.

Yes indeed. I highly doubt that hitler had a last minute repentance based upon what I read about him, however truth is truth. And yes, those killed and their families would have a hard time accepting it. 

[FreeGrace]

7 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

What actually happens at the judgement seat of Christ?

According to 2 Cor 5:10, all believers will be evaluated on what they did on earth, "whether good or bad".

7 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

First, let us pretend Hitler said a prayer to Jesus in his bunker, does he get into heaven for saying a prayer sincerely?
"Oh Lord Jesus, I realize I was wrong in all of this, please forgive me... I repent.... ... what else can I do Lord,
please! ...."  Would such a sincere prayer from Hitler have been enough to get him into heaven?

None of this would get anyone into heaven.  The ONLY people who will enter heaven are those who placed their full trust ONLY in the finished work of Jesus Christ for salvation.  No one gets saved by any prayer.  It is all about faith or trust.

7 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

For those who would say yes, then we arrive at the judgement seat of Christ in an interesting way.

What is the justice that would happen?

Hitler would get no crowns, cry during the award ceremony, and sit in the corner somewhere, but yet in heaven, immortal living forever?
He gets in but is turned into a literal pillar of the temple in heaven, conscious, but just a nice piece of stone?
Or Matthew 22:11-13 would apply in such a situation?

To modify a bit for accuracy, if Hitler realized who Jesus Christ is and what He did for him on the cross, and Hitler trusted in what Jesus did on the cross for him for salvation, then he would enter heaven, but have no rewards to show for his miserable life.

This will be the case for any believer who failed to maintain fellowship with the Lord and accomplish works or deeds in the filling of the Holy Spirit, they will LIKEWISE receive NO reward.  Just as 1 Cor 3:15 says.

7 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

For we must all stand before the judgement seat of Christ,
that everyone may receive the things done in their body, according to what they have done,
whether they receive good or bad
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men
2 Corinthians 5:10-11

It is not an award ceremony. It is the terror of the Lord.

There will be no terror.  The Bema is an evaluation for reward.  Believers will either receive reward or not.  No terror.  Where do you find "terror" in the Bible in relation to the Bema?

Rev 22:12 -   “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

7 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Because Christ died for all, that they which live should henceforth
not live unto themselves but unto Him that died for them and rose again.
2 Corinthians 5:15

Yes, they should.  ALL of them.  But that doesn't mean all of them will live for Him.  There's lots of narcissists around, and many who have been wrongly taught and will have no idea what's going on.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

 

15 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

There will be no terror.  The Bema is an evaluation for reward.  Believers will either receive reward or not.  No terror.  Where do you find "terror" in the Bible in relation to the Bema?

Interesting, it's like somehow you did not read what was quoted.

"Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord..." 2 Cor 5:11
That is verse 11, the very next verse, showing clearly that Paul is speaking about the terror of the Lord, not an award ceremony.

Your idea of an award ceremony is from the preaching of modern men, not from scripture.

 

15 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

According to 2 Cor 5:10, all believers will be evaluated on what they did on earth, "whether good or bad".

Whether he receive good or bad.

Due to verse 11 we know Paul is speaking about the terror of the Lord, not the handing out of awards.

15 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

The ONLY people who will enter heaven are those who placed their full trust ONLY in the finished work of Jesus Christ for salvation.  

So we don't have to believe in Jesus Himself, only what He did?

15 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

This will be the case for any believer who failed to maintain fellowship with the Lord and accomplish works or deeds in the filling of the Holy Spirit, they will LIKEWISE receive NO reward.  Just as 1 Cor 3:15 says.

1 Cor 3:4-15 is about the work of evangelism, not 'works' in general.
What can be burned or not on that day are people, the wicked will be burned up, but those with sincere faith in Christ will not.
On such the second death has no power. The message given by Paul and others is supposed to lead people to a real sincere relationship with Christ, if that is the case, those people, would not get burned on the day of the Lord. That is the only 'work' one can take into heaven with you, other people. Those who defile the temple of the Lord up until death will be destroyed; 1 Cor 3:16,
our evangelistic work should therefore lead people toward living righteously and holy.

 

15 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Rev 22:12 -   “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

 

Blessed are they that do His commands, that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter through the gates into the city.
Because outside of heavenly city are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers,
and idolaters, and whosoever loves and practices a lie.

Revelation 22:14-15