Precedent Faith

[WordSword]

Can you pray for others salvation? I believe one can pray in hope that one’s name is in the Book of Life. Actually, salvation is one thing you need not to pray for others, because “everyone that should be saved—will be saved!” Plus, the names of all who will be saved are already in the Book of Life, which was written before creation (Phl 4:3; 1Pe 1:2; Rev 20:15), and the names cannot be deleted (Rev 3:5).

This puts all responsibility on God concerning one being saved. It’s entirely comforting to know all this, especially if your name is in the Book. It means regardless of what you will encounter in your life you will be saved! Some telltales of salvation is seen all through the life of one who will be reborn. If we think about it, God has always meant something to you if you’re saved. 

We see the buildup of concern for God the older we get, and things begin to come together more all the time that are related to God. Then He sends to you the one who will have the most effect on you about salvation, and before you know it—you realize you believe in God and Christ, and receive the Lord Jesus as your Savior.

Then you find you have more concern for the Word of God and for being with other Christians. You’re reading and studying it as much as you can. Then comes the times of trials and temptations God sends to strengthen your faith by exercising it in trusting Him to “work” everything out for your “good” (Ro 8:28).

It is as you unceasingly grow in the Lord Jesus (Eph 4:15), that you will find your craft of life taking you onward and upward via the trials and temptations that continue to “increase” the strength and vitality of your “faith” (Luk 17:5). As you continue to “endure” the “hardness” of the on-and-off testing of your faith (2Ti 2:3), you see yourself in the most important light; that of being “conformed to the image of His Son”   (Rom 8:29; 2Co 3:18).
 

[Neighbor]

I am born again  as a direct result of years of prayer for me by My Grandmother and step grandfather.

How so? God is faithful to answer prayer rightly asked. My grandmother used to read  the Bible  to me when I was a small child as best she could as she was severely paralyzed. My step grandfather was an excellent man. 

 I grow up to be an atheist, until at age 35 long after the death of both  my grandparents God answered their prayers by turning me about, doing so in such a way that I knew by way of an angel that it was because of their prayer that I was being called to turn about.

Prayer for others was not only important in my own salvation it was vital!

[Who me]

16 hours ago, WordSword said:

Can you pray for others salvation? I believe one can pray in hope that one’s name is in the Book of Life. Actually, salvation is one thing you need not to pray for others

We are told to pray for those who persecute us. What is one praying for? That they be saved!

If one does not pray for the salvation of others, why tell them the gospel?

God graciously  uses us in the process  of salvation, our witnessing,  our prayers all are used by God to save his elect.

Never stop praying for the salvation of those you witness to. 

[Neighbor]

...'Then, as He was now drawing near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works they had seen,  saying:

“ ‘Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord!’
Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”

 And some of the Pharisees called to Him from the crowd, “Teacher, rebuke Your disciples.”

 But He answered and said to them, “I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out.”

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

19 hours ago, WordSword said:

This puts all responsibility on God concerning one being saved.

Is the responsibility on God equally also for those going to hell?

Are there men predestined to go to hell?

Is God's way fair?

"Paul stood in the midst of Mars hill, and said, ye men of Athens....
God .. commands all men everywhere to repent"

Acts 17:22-30, 31

Can every man everywhere repent? 

When Pharaoh ordered the Jews to gather their own straw and yet maintain the same quota of bricks,
the thing was said to be evil, for Pharaoh asked them to do an impossible task. [ Exodus 5: 5-13,18,23 ]

Is God evil? Can every man everywhere repent?

It must be therefore that God made a way for every man everywhere to repent,
because God is not evil.

 

Let us examine also the life and death of king Josiah.

"behold therefore ... you will die a natural death"
2 Kings 22:20

But yet Josiah made the choice to go after Necho king of Egypt, when he did not need to,
and therefore due to his own prideful choice he did not die naturally.
2 Chronicles 35:20-27

 

God made a free will system, after having made the first choice.
The choice to suffer death on behalf of His creation and then physically rise from the dead.
Because of His wise and perfect first choice and plan,
it matters not whatever other choices are made by His creatures,
His choice allows for and is the vehicle of our free will.

God is love. God gave us the ability to choose and wants us to use it to choose Him.

 

And so, yes, we should always pray, our minds should be full of prayer all the time for everyone around us.

 

Edited May 31, 2024 by Desopixi Seilynam

[WordSword]

3 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Is the responsibility on God equally also for those going to hell?

Are there men predestined to go to hell?

Is God's way fair?

"Paul stood in the midst of Mars hill, and said, ye men of Athens....
God .. commands all men everywhere to repent"

Acts 17:22-30, 31

Can every man everywhere repent? 

When Pharaoh ordered the Jews to gather their own straw and yet maintain the same quota of bricks,
the thing was said to be evil, for Pharaoh asked them to do an impossible task. [ Exodus 5: 5-13,18,23 ]

Is God evil? Can every man everywhere repent?

It must be therefore that God made a way for every man everywhere to repent,
because God is not evil.

 

 

God made a free will system, after having made the first choice.
The choice to suffer death on behalf of His creation and then physically rise from the dead.
Because of His wise and perfect first choice and plan,
it matters not whatever other choices are made by His creatures,
His choice allows for and is the vehicle of our free will.

God is love. God gave us the ability to choose and wants us to use it to choose Him.

 

And so, yes, we should always pray, our minds should be full of prayer all the time for everyone around us.

 

Everyone has a right to repent and be saved, it's just that God already knows everyone who will be saved. Of course God also knows those who will be an unbeliever.

[Stewardofthemystery]

23 hours ago, WordSword said:

Plus, the names of all who will be saved are already in the Book of Life, which was written before creation (Phl 4:3; 1Pe 1:2; Rev 20:15), and the names cannot be deleted (Rev 3:5).

This puts all responsibility on God concerning one being saved. It’s entirely comforting to know all this, especially if your name is in the Book. It means regardless of what you will encounter in your life you will be saved! Some telltales of salvation is seen all through the life of one who will be reborn. If we think about it, God has always meant something to you if you’re saved. 

We see the buildup of concern for God the older we get, and things begin to come together more all the time that are related to God. Then He sends to you the one who will have the most effect on you about salvation, and before you know it—you realize you believe in God and Christ, and receive the Lord Jesus as your Savior.

Then you find you have more concern for the Word of God and for being with other Christians. You’re reading and studying it as much as you can. Then comes the times of trials and temptations God sends to strengthen your faith by exercising it in trusting Him to “work” everything out for your “good” (Ro 8:28).

It is as you unceasingly grow in the Lord Jesus (Eph 4:15), that you will find your craft of life taking you onward and upward via the trials and temptations that continue to “increase” the strength and vitality of your “faith” (Luk 17:5). As you continue to “endure” the “hardness” of the on-and-off testing of your faith (2Ti 2:3), you see yourself in the most important light; that of being “conformed to the image of His Son”   (Rom 8:29; 2Co 3:18).
 

While God foreknows whose names are written in His book of life, God also foreknows whose names will be blotted out.  So yes, names can be blotted out of the book of life.

Exodus 32:33

And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
 

Psalm 69:28

Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
 

Judas would be a good example of this. Jesus said he chose the twelve apostles, and they did not choose him.  But Jesus also said one of them would betray him, which was Judas.

 

So God knows beforehand whom He has chosen unto salvation, but God also knows who will fall away from the faith unto perdition.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

While God foreknows whose names are written in His book of life, God also foreknows whose names will be blotted out.  So yes, names can be blotted out of the book of life.

Exodus 32:33

And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
 

Psalm 69:28

Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
 

Judas would be a good example of this. Jesus said he chose the twelve apostles, and they did not choose him.  But Jesus also said one of them would betray him, which was Judas.

 

So God knows beforehand whom He has chosen unto salvation, but God also knows who will fall away from the faith unto perdition.

What do you mean to say about Judas? Are you judging Judas with the things you say about him? 

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

41 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

What do you mean to say about Judas? Are you judging Judas with the things you say about him? 

 

I judge Judas by what the Lord said about him.

John 6:70-71

King James Version

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

[Your closest friendnt]

31 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I judge Judas by what the Lord said about him.

John 6:70-71

King James Version

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

He also called Peter Satan. Do you judge Peter in a similar way?