Heaven <> Hell

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, Mr. M said:

Acts 4:

29 Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word, 30 by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.

They prayed, they asked for boldness, they were filled, they spoke with boldness.

Bingo!  I hadn't thought of Acts 4:31! 

1 hour ago, Mr. M said:

Jesus said "ask, and you will receive".

If you have some other formula, stop playing games and state it. You aren't the moderator here.

No games.  Just trying to flesh out what people know or don't know.  In Luke 13:11, Jesus concludes His teaching about praying with this:  "If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

Now, this was said during the OT, where the vast majority of believers weren't indwelt by the Spirit.  And Jesus was telling His disciples how to receive the Holy Spirit, by asking for the Spirit through prayer.  In the NT, all believers receive the Holy Spirit, so we don't ask for that.  

1 John 5:14 says - "This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us."

Since Eph 5:18 is a command to obey, it is God's will that believers be filled with the Spirit.  This is the only way to produce divine good, which is acceptable to the Father.  Any moral good done in the power of the flesh is unacceptable to the Father, and Isa 64:6 says - "All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away."   "filthy rags" in the Hebrew is literally "used menstral rags".  Stinky indeed.

So asking for the filling of the Holy Spirit WHEN having been forgiven and cleansed from our on-going sins, per 1 John 1:9, will result in being filled.  

If a believer has unconfessed sin(s), he/she can ask all day and the prayer doesn't get through.  Psa 66:18 - If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:

[Neighbor]

On 6/8/2024 at 6:07 PM, other one said:

And he gave us two commandments

He emphasized at His sermon on the mount ( The Beatitudes) many of God's commandments. He upped the requirement for meeting each, the thought not being obedient being made equal tod doing of the deed.

I do not conclude that Yeshua  reduced God's commands to two. In emphasis He stated the greatest of these are and then  named two things after stating He was not present to replace the Law's commands, but instead to fulfill them. He demonstrated fulfilment He and only he could do so. He did not eliminate them, it is still a command that one shall not kill as example. It is also an equal sin to think I will like to kill someone. That is how He upped understanding of the sin against God that is generated straight from the heart of fallen mankind that is in need of covering, the same as  the physical act of murder would be.

Who is worthy to do so? The Lamb of God only. The Lamb who came to fulfill the requirement. He did so, willingly giving His life, His perfection,  to cover that which is imperfect thus  reconciling the impossible, any human (Save two in history) being in the presence of Holy God.

[other one]

45 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

He emphasized at His sermon on the mount ( The Beatitudes) many of God's commandments. He upped the requirement for meeting each, the thought not being obedient being made equal tod doing of the deed.

I do not conclude that Yeshua  reduced God's commands to two. In emphasis He stated the greatest of these are and then  named two things after stating He was not present to replace the Law's commands, but instead to fulfill them. He demonstrated fulfilment He and only he could do so. He did not eliminate them, it is still a command that one shall not kill as example. It is also an equal sin to think I will like to kill someone. That is how He upped understanding of the sin against God that is generated straight from the heart of fallen mankind that is in need of covering, the same as  the physical act of murder would be.

Who is worthy to do so? The Lamb of God only. The Lamb who came to fulfill the requirement. He did so, willingly giving His life, His perfection,  to cover that which is imperfect thus  reconciling the impossible, any human (Save two in history) being in the presence of Holy God.

If you love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself, which of the ten commandments could you break.  Loving your neighbor not only stops you from breaking the ten commandments, it doesn't let you even to want to.  You can go to hell by just wanting to.

[NConly]

I thought the 10 commandments were part of the old law  old covenant which could not be set aside for a new covenant until it was fulfilled. Only one could fulfill the old.

Rom 3

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Under the new covenant so Jesus established the new laws in the new covenant.

Heb 7

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Jesus spoke the commandments to follow while on earth. See

John 15

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Here He shows a separation of the two sets of commandments.