The Prodigal Son

[Mr. M]

6 minutes ago, RdJ said:

The lie is unconditional love. If God's love was unconditional satan would go to heaven.

 

https://www.heraldstaronline.com/opinion/local-columns/2017/02/is-once-saved-always-saved-true-or-false/

 

Basically, the Doctrine of Once Saved, Always Saved began with the teachings of John Calvin, (1509-64) who was a pastor, church reformer, author and teacher.

 

Charles Stanley, a proponent of OSAS and pastor of First Baptist megachurch in Atlanta, falsely claims that “Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy … believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation.” Say what?

This completely defies what Scripture teaches. Stanley also teaches, “You and I are not saved because we have an enduring faith. We are saved because at a moment in time we expressed faith in our enduring Lord.”

Wow. Stanley is claiming that a one-time commitment to faith in Christ is all that’s needed, there is no need for a Christian to continue a life of enduring faith. Hebrews 10:36 teaches, “You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.” Therefore it is each of us who needs to endure or persevere; Jesus doesn’t do this on our behalf.

 

We read this in Colossians 1:22, 23a, “But now he (God) has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation — if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.” Folks there is such great importance in the word “if.” Notice please, … if you continue in your faith.

Charles Stanley teaches also, “That it is impossible for a Christian to out sin God’s grace.” This is false teaching that invites people to trample on God’s grace. Galatians 5:19-21 warns us, “The acts of the sinful nature (flesh) are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

"For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..."

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things,

and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Only the Lord

[RdJ]

8 minutes ago, Jayne said:

You believe that God's love is conditional for the people he draws to him and who repent and are saved?

What are those conditions?  How do I, as a Christian, end up in hell burning forever?

Lie?  Drop a hammer on my toe and say a curse word?  Watch a movie that I shouldn't have?

What are the conditions that cause God to burn forever those he drew to himself and covered with the blood of Christ?

I posted that already. The condition is that you don't backslide so bad that it's to the point of no return.

 

J. Edwin Orr, the revivalist and historian, was with Billy Graham when the evangelist addressed a meeting in Beverly Hills attended by a very interesting guest. No, it wasn’t the latest movie star, it was the notorious gangster, Mickey Cohen. Amazingly, Micky expressed an interest in Christ. Orr later wrote, ``several of us talked with him, including Dr. Graham, but he made no commitment until some time later when another friend urged him—with Revelation 3:20 as a warrant—to invite Jesus Christ into his life.”

Finally, he made a profession, but like so many people today, nothing in his life changed. There was no evidence of any repentance, so the friend that led him to the Lord confronted him. Micky was offended. He told his friend, “You never told me I’d have to give up my work.” By his work, he meant his illegal gangster activities. He said, “You did not tell me that I would have to give up my friends!’ He meant his gangster associates.

“He had heard that so-and-so was a Christian cowboy, so-and-so was a Christian actress, so-and-so was a Christian senator, and he really thought he could be a Christian gangster.

[enoob57]

35 minutes ago, RdJ said:

You tell him in a friendly loving way to not be so arrogant then.

It is no ones responsibility to control ones self other than self... It is the underlaying precept of Christ likeness to do unto God no matter what others do unto us...

[RdJ]

6 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

It is no ones responsibility to control ones self other than self... It is the underlaying precept of Christ likeness to do unto God no matter what others do unto us...

Yes but I thought a bit of purple knight help would be nice.

 

Edited June 19, 2024 by RdJ

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, RdJ said:

Yes but I thought a bit of purple knight help would be nice.

I understand the humor... but when we speak about God's Word we should do so in soberness.

We cannot look to any other than God for our help... the closer we get to this obedience the less self gets in our way in our reply...

[1to3]

John 3:16 16

16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, (unconfitionel)

that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ( Conditionel. )

 

The gift of salvation in Christ is FREE. (Unconditioel)

and it is by Faith (faithfulness) we receive it. (conditionel)

What did Christ say about being faithful to Him?

John. 14. [15] Christ Jesus said:  If ye love Me, keep My commandments. [21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

[RdJ]

2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

I understand the humor... but when we speak about God's Word we should do so in soberness.

We cannot look to any other than God for our help... the closer we get to this obedience the less self gets in our way in our reply...

I warned him in the beginning. I am not a preacher who always stays calm. That's why I put him and this thread on ignore and asked him to stop quoting me. It costs souls this false teaching. It stopped revivals. That's why I hate it.

The worst I have ever done was tell a guy who preached false grace and who said Michael Brown was wrong, that he was too arrogant to ask a Jew. One guy got very shocked. I didnt even know these people. Was my first post. Then later that guy came back and said very dry: I'm Jewish.

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, RdJ said:

I warned him in the beginning. I am not a preacher who always stays calm. That's why I put him and this thread on ignore and asked him to stop quoting me. It costs souls this false teaching. It stopped revivals. That's why I hate it.

The worst I have ever done was tell a guy who preached false grace and who said Michael Brown was wrong, that he was too arrogant to ask a Jew. One guy got very shocked. I didnt even know these people. Was my first post. Then later that guy came back and said very dry: I'm Jewish.

The whole point of debate is to address what is said without attacking the one who said it... for many because of emotional involvement cannot seem to accomplish this and they take offense. We want everyone to hold the truth of Scripture because it sets free as all else is just fodder for fire and forgetting...

[Jayne]

1 hour ago, RdJ said:

I posted that already. The condition is that you don't backslide so bad that it's to the point of no return.

The only post that I have read in this thread is the last one from you that I quoted.  That's my fault.

I understand that you do not want to repeat yourself.

My beliefs are as follows:

When a person is legitimately saved - TRULY saved -  not just getting dunked in the baptistry or blithely repeating some prayer - then the Holy Spirit is our "seal" and  "guarantee" of salvation.  2 Corinthians 1:22;  Ephesians 1:13 and 4:30.  It's in the Word - I believe that.

MANY are legitimately LOST - going to split hell wide open - and they sit in church from time to time, give money to the poor, and even call themself a Christian.  Why are they going to hell?  They were never saved to begin with.

The Bible does speak of "backsliding".  But, in context of those verses, repentance is offered.  

Christians are not sinless.  But REAL Christians are also not licentious.

I can see this topic is painful to you.  I'll refrain from any more postings.

 

 

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, 1to3 said:

The parable of the sower

Matthew 13: 1-23

13 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

² And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

³ And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

⁴ And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

⁵ Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

⁶ And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

⁷ And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

⁸ But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

⁹ Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

¹⁰ And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

¹¹ He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

¹² For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

¹³ Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

¹⁴ And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

¹⁵ For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

¹⁶ But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

¹⁷ For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

¹⁸ Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

¹⁹ When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

²⁰ But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

²¹ Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

²² He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

²³ But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

What are you "proving otherwise" with this parable?  I didn't see any words that communicate loss of salvation.