When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

[Stewardofthemystery]

Many claim the abomination of desolation (AOD) spoken of by Daniel and Jesus has not been fulfilled yet, and another Temple needs to be rebuilt in the future in Jerusalem in order to fulfill this prophecy. The easiest way I have found to prove this doctrine is false is by Jesus’ own words. Below both Jesus and the apostles, were speaking of the Temple and buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes."

The words of God confirm this truth.....

Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes." Notice in Mark's account above there is only one question asked about when shall these buildings be destroyed, and what sign would there be prior to this event, concerning the abomination of desolation.

But in Matthew's account pay attention to the question and the prophecy, as 2 separate questions are asked of Jesus.

Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
 

So in Matthews account not only was Jesus asked about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes", but also about the signs of Christ’s second coming and also about the end of the world.

Now to Luke's account…..

Luke 21:5-7

 

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Again notice they are speaking of the Temple and buildings they are looking at "with their own eyes." And so Jesus tells them "the signs" given before the temple is to be destroyed….

Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” ( This is the abomination of desolation event spoken of in Daniel)

This event concerning the destruction of the city of Jerusalem that Jesus and the apostles were looking at "with their own eyes "is also confirmed by Jesus in Luke 19:41-44 “And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it. Saying, If thou hast known, even thou, at least in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side. And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”

 

So the common mistake here is to think that the abomination of desolation concerning the destruction of the Temple is yet future, and has anything to do with the second coming of Christ and the end of the world almost 2 thousand years later. But when you understand the questions asked of Jesus was in two parts, then hopefully you will see these 2 events are separate from one another and are many, many years apart. Also the time line concerning "when" the AOD was fulfilled has nothing to do with the timeline 70 week prophecy in Daniel. The end of the 70 week prophecy, and the fulfilling of the AOD prophecy are about 40 years apart from one another.

And it is also very clear in all accounts given in Matthew, Mark, and Luke that Jesus and the apostles were talking about the Temple and surrounding buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes".

There is no need for a future Temple to be built to fulfill this AOD prophecy, as it has already been fulfilled in 70 a.d. when the Roman army surrounded, and then destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. Both the words of Jesus and history prove this to be true. With the abomination of desolation events already being fulfilled, we can now focus on the events leading up to Christ's second coming, and on the signs concerning the end of this world.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace and God bless

 

[Jaydub]

6 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Many claim the abomination of desolation (AOD) spoken of by Daniel and Jesus has not been fulfilled yet, and another Temple needs to be rebuilt in the future in Jerusalem in order to fulfill this prophecy. The easiest way I have found to prove this doctrine is false is by Jesus’ own words. Below both Jesus and the apostles, were speaking of the Temple and buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes."

I am in agreement with your post, but I believe there could be more than one abomination that causes desolation In Ezekiel 9,10 we see the presents of God leaving the temple because of Idolatry, right inside the temple they have placed Idols. It was not Antiochus and him sacrificing a pig on the altar that was the abomination that caused the desolation of the first temple, but it was the Jews putting false Gods in the temple, that caused their God to leave. The Jews committed the abomination that causes their desolation. It was their actions and their sins that brought judgment on themselves. As you point out in your post it, it happened in the time of Jesus, when the Jews reject their God again and put Jesus to death on the cross. We again see the spirit of God leave the temple, when the curtain was torn in two from top to bottom, so desolation comes not because of Rome, but because of the Jews sin and rejection of Their God. They in the time of Babylon and in the time of Rome,  caused their desolation 

I believe it will happen again, if the Jews build a temple and start up the sacrificial system again, if I had to pick a reason for Armageddon, I would guess the Jews start up the sacrificial system again, for the forgiveness of their sins, totally rejecting the works of the Holy Spirit at the cross. The last Abomination of desolation. People need to realize its not the gentiles that cause the abomination of desolation. It is the acts of the Jewish people that will bring judgment on themselves 

[Stewardofthemystery]

32 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

I am in agreement with your post, but I believe there could be more than one abomination that causes desolation In Ezekiel 9,10 we see the presents of God leaving the temple because of Idolatry, right inside the temple they have placed Idols. It was not Antiochus and him sacrificing a pig on the altar that was the abomination that caused the desolation of the first temple, but it was the Jews putting false Gods in the temple, that caused their God to leave. The Jews committed the abomination that causes their desolation. It was their actions and their sins that brought judgment on themselves. As you point out in your post it, it happened in the time of Jesus, when the Jews reject their God again and put Jesus to death on the cross. We again see the spirit of God leave the temple, when the curtain was torn in two from top to bottom, so desolation comes not because of Rome, but because of the Jews sin and rejection of Their God. They in the time of Babylon and in the time of Rome,  caused their desolation 

I believe it will happen again, if the Jews build a temple and start up the sacrificial system again, if I had to pick a reason for Armageddon, I would guess the Jews start up the sacrificial system again, for the forgiveness of their sins, totally rejecting the works of the Holy Spirit at the cross. The last Abomination of desolation. People need to realize its not the gentiles that cause the abomination of desolation. It is the acts of the Jewish people that will bring judgment on themselves 

Right, the children of Israel had profaned the sanctuary as is written in Ezekiel.  And in Daniel we were told “for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate”

So it was all the abominations of the children of Israel that had brought on its desolation and destruction by the Roman army.

I don’t see a need for a future Temple in Jerusalem to be built on the mount in order to fulfill end time prophecy.  And any attempt by Israel to destroy the Islamic Dome of the rock mosque on the mount would probably result in Armageddon, but time will tell.

[Revelation Man]

On 6/16/2024 at 11:47 AM, Stewardofthemystery said:

Many claim the abomination of desolation (AOD) spoken of by Daniel and Jesus has not been fulfilled yet, and another Temple needs to be rebuilt in the future in Jerusalem in order to fulfill this prophecy. The easiest way I have found to prove this doctrine is false is by Jesus’ own words. Below both Jesus and the apostles, were speaking of the Temple and buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes."

The words of God confirm this truth.....

Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes." Notice in Mark's account above there is only one question asked about when shall these buildings be destroyed, and what sign would there be prior to this event, concerning the abomination of desolation.

But in Matthew's account pay attention to the question and the prophecy, as 2 separate questions are asked of Jesus.

Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
 

So in Matthews account not only was Jesus asked about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at "with their own eyes", but also about the signs of Christ’s second coming and also about the end of the world.

Now to Luke's account…..

Luke 21:5-7

 

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Again notice they are speaking of the Temple and buildings they are looking at "with their own eyes." And so Jesus tells them "the signs" given before the temple is to be destroyed….

Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” ( This is the abomination of desolation event spoken of in Daniel)

This event concerning the destruction of the city of Jerusalem that Jesus and the apostles were looking at "with their own eyes "is also confirmed by Jesus in Luke 19:41-44 “And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it. Saying, If thou hast known, even thou, at least in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side. And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”

 

So the common mistake here is to think that the abomination of desolation concerning the destruction of the Temple is yet future, and has anything to do with the second coming of Christ and the end of the world almost 2 thousand years later. But when you understand the questions asked of Jesus was in two parts, then hopefully you will see these 2 events are separate from one another and are many, many years apart. Also the time line concerning "when" the AOD was fulfilled has nothing to do with the timeline 70 week prophecy in Daniel. The end of the 70 week prophecy, and the fulfilling of the AOD prophecy are about 40 years apart from one another.

And it is also very clear in all accounts given in Matthew, Mark, and Luke that Jesus and the apostles were talking about the Temple and surrounding buildings they were looking at "with their own eyes".

There is no need for a future Temple to be built to fulfill this AOD prophecy, as it has already been fulfilled in 70 a.d. when the Roman army surrounded, and then destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. Both the words of Jesus and history prove this to be true. With the abomination of desolation events already being fulfilled, we can now focus on the events leading up to Christ's second coming, and on the signs concerning the end of this world.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace and God bless

 

This makes zero sense because the Destruction of the Temple was NOT the AoD anyway. How do you guys always conflate all of these things? The AoD is the DEFILEMENT of the Temple by Sacrificing unto a FALSE god !! So, how can that happen without a 3rd Temple? The Shadow of this can be seen via Antiochus(AE4), whom Jason, a Jewish High Priest who bribed AE4 to be named the High Priest, having his real and pious brother Onias III killed, Jason was all in on  Greek Culture, his real name was Yeshua, he "WELCOMED AE4" into the Temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, which is why Hanukkah is remembered, it was the cleansing of the Temple, so it could be rededicated. LIKEWISE, in order to get the AoD we are told how this happens, the Anti-Christ (who is an END TIME Man of Sin) will CAUSE [The False Prophet/Jewish High Priest] to stop Jesus Worship (TAKE AWAY...The Real Sacrifice) and place the AoD which Revelation 13 CLEARY TELLS US.............is an IMAGE of the 1st Beast !!!

 

I just for the life of me do not understand how you guys come up with this stuff. If you weren't trying so hard to FORCE the 70 weeks to be over already then you would not have to try and force these things brother. Just accept the facts, the 70th week will only happen once Israel joins the E.U. which is the Dan. 9:27, Agreement or Covenant.

Edited June 18, 2024 by Revelation Man

[Desopixi Seilynam]

6 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh

70 a.d. Jerusalem was surround by armies.

1090 Jerusalem was surround by armies.

1948 Jerusalem was surrounded by armies.

From 1948 to 1967 half of Jerusalem was literally desolate and uninhabited.

 

And the verse refers to many "whens", because we were previously told in Daniel that 70 captivities would happen.

I Daniel understood the word of the Lord that came by Jeremiah,
how that the Lord would accomplish 70 years in the desolations of Jerusalem...
And I set my face to pray... Oh Lord let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy holy city...
Daniel 9:1-16

And the angel Gabriel came and told me...
Oh Daniel I am now come to give you skill in understanding.

Seventy captivities are determined upon thy people, 
and upon thy holy city .......

And after seven captivities (490 years) and 62 weeks
shall the Messiah suffer the death penalty, but not for Himself.
And the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
and the end thereof shall be with a flood

Daniel 9:24-27 is telling us about 4,900 total years worth of time,
not seventy weeks, seventy captivities. 

70, 70 year captivities, what Daniel was reading in Jeremiah would happen 70 times.
That is what Gabriel is telling him.

And we can see at least 3 captivities that have past, each starting with Jerusalem being surrounded by armies.

Therefore, understanding all the prophecy together correctly, indeed what Jesus said,
divinely applied to then and it applies to now as well just the same,
His words are divine special prophecy given by God in the flesh.

 

 

And the full message of the times has been deliberately messed with in two prominent ways;

1 simply taking away books that speak largely about specific amounts of time and the end.
2 changing the words in the books we read to spur confusion and misunderstanding.

 

Enoch 1:1 The words of the blessing of Enoch wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous who will be living in the last days.......

Enoch 80:7 The whole order of the stars shall be concealed from the sinners, and they shall error concerning them

Enoch 104:10 And now I know this mystery, that sinners will alter and pervert the words of righteousness in many ways, and will speak wicked words, and lie, and practice great deceits, and write books concerning their words.

 

 

I believe the abomination will cause desolation, and is associated with grand deception.
The mark, image and the abomination all working together. High technology,
the devils offering of 'eternal life', at first masked as if it is Jesus come to seal us.

Strong delusion, such that people believe the lie. (Thou shalt not die. Gen 3:4)

It will be something actually placed inside of a newly built temple,
me and others are yearning for there to be a new temple built, there will be a third temple built.
 

 

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

12 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

because we were previously told in Daniel that 70 captivities would happen.

I Daniel understood the word of the Lord that came by Jeremiah,
how that the Lord would accomplish 70 years in the desolations of Jerusalem...
And I set my face to pray... Oh Lord let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy holy city...
Daniel 9:1-16

And the angel Gabriel came and told me...
Oh Daniel I am now come to give you skill in understanding.

Seventy captivities are determined upon thy people, 
and upon thy holy city .......

And after seven captivities (490 years) and 62 weeks
shall the Messiah suffer the death penalty, but not for Himself.
And the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
and the end thereof shall be with a flood

Daniel 9:24-27 is telling us about 4,900 total years worth of time,
not seventy weeks, seventy captivities. 

70, 70 year captivities, what Daniel was reading in Jeremiah would happen 70 times.
That is what Gabriel is telling him.

And we can see at least 3 captivities that have past, each starting with Jerusalem being surrounded by armies.

Therefore, understanding all the prophecy together correctly, indeed what Jesus said,
divinely applied to then and it applies to now as well just the same,
His words are divine special prophecy given by God in the flesh.

 

 

And the full message of the times has been deliberately messed with in two prominent ways;

1 simply taking away books that speak largely about specific amounts of time and the end.
2 changing the words in the books we read to spur confusion and misunderstanding.

 

Enoch 1:1 The words of the blessing of Enoch wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous who will be living in the last days.......

Enoch 80:7 The whole order of the stars shall be concealed from the sinners, and they shall error concerning them

Enoch 104:10 And now I know this mystery, that sinners will alter and pervert the words of righteousness in many ways, and will speak wicked words, and lie, and practice great deceits, and write books concerning their words.

 

 

I believe the abomination will cause desolation, and is associated with grand deception.
The mark, image and the abomination all working together. High technology,
the devils offering of 'eternal life', at first masked as if it is Jesus come to seal us.

Strong delusion, such that people believe the lie. (Thou shalt not die. Gen 3:4)

It will be something actually placed inside of a newly built temple,
me and others are yearning for there to be a new temple built, there will be a third temple built.
 

 

 

The “seventy years” determined on Jerusalem spoken by Jeremiah was brought on by The King of Babylon, that “70 years” has been fulfilled long ago.

Daniel 9:2

In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish “seventy years”in the desolations of Jerusalem.

 

Here is where Daniel is getting this “70 years”from…

 

Jeremiah 25:11

And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon “seventy years.”

Jeremiah 25:12

And it shall come to pass, when “seventy years” are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the Lord, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

Jeremiah 29:10

For thus saith the Lord, That after “seventy year's” be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

It was “after this 70 years” that the people would return to Jerusalem from their captivity in Babylon and they would begin to build the Temple once again.

Edited June 17, 2024 by Stewardofthemystery

[Desopixi Seilynam]

5 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

The “seventy years” determined on Jerusalem spoken by Jeremiah was brought on by The King of Babylon, that “70 years” has been fulfilled long ago.

We can see other 70 year periods.

A.D. 0 to A.D. 70 is another clear one after the Babylonian captivity.

Also the crusades starting 1090 through into the 1200's.

Daniel was reading Jeremiah, yes, that is were he gets 70 years from.

And then Gabriel comes and tells Daniel, concerning what Daniel had just read, and what he was therefore praying about,
that 70 such 70 year periods would happen.

Using the correct translation we need not infer anything into the text,
using "weeks/sevens" we have to infer years that are not specifically there.

"And after seven captivities and 62 weeks shall Messiah suffer the death penalty...."

It is one of the most specific prophecies in the Bible.

490 years and 62 weeks. 
 

Showing indeed that the overall passage is speaking about 70 captivities.
4,900 years worth of time of the people of Israel in captivity.

 

1967 through to 2037 will prove to have been yet another captivity, perhaps one of the last.

If we start the captivity count at the Exodus, those initial 400 years of captivity, then time is short.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

3 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Showing indeed that the overall passage is speaking about 70 captivities.

4,900 years worth of time of the people of Israel in captivity.

 

1967 through to 2037 will prove to have been yet another captivity, perhaps one of the last.

If we start the captivity count at the Exodus, those initial 400 years of captivity, then time is short.

 

I will have to disagree with that.😊

[Charlie744]

The AOD, or the abomination that causes desolation is not an event that speaks of a destruction of a physical structure no matter how important that structure WAS. 
 
There are a few things to think about:

1) the Temple was already completely destroyed by the Babylonians in 587 BC. This resulted as punishment from God along with the 70 years in captivity. But it was a temporary punishment based on the number of years Israel failed to honor the land Sabbath.

2) The Temple, Sanctuary, holy feast days, etc., were a type and shadow of the coming Messiah. His arrival and crucifixion fulfilled all of these elements. The Sanctuary, the animal sacrifices, the offerings, the Temple would be done away with or thrown down. Their mission in His plan of salvation was fulfilled. They would never again have the presence of God within them - the Temple was now just a common structure in God’s eyes (however, they all were still considered holy in the eyes of those who rejected Jesus— but that does not change how God views them).

3) The most abominable act in the history of man is the Jews rejection of their Messiah and His crucifixion. The first Temple was already destroyed from disobedience of the Sabbath, thus the second time in 70 AD would be no different than the first time with the exception it will never be rebuilt by God again- it’s mission had been fulfilled.

Consequently, the “abomination” is so much greater than disobeying God. It is beyond anything we could do against our God. 
 

4) This “abominable act” is not a destroying of a Temple made of brick and mirror but a Temple made of our Messiah. They destroyed the Messiah on the cross. 
 
This abominable act, which will never be repeated or found anywhere in our history books other than the cross, is the event / the act that would cause God to become desolate with His people for the next 2000 years (time of the Gentiles). God would spiritually separate Himself from Israel as punishment for their rejection and crucifixion of Jesus. 
 

5) When the time of the Gentiles is finished, God will remove the blindness from the eyes of His people and they will recognize the One they have pierced. They will then go out into the world, just as Paul, and preach the Word of God AND the Testimony of Jesus to the world for 3.5 years. This will also complete the 4th and final Great Jubilee cycle of 490 years and bring in the return of the Messiah. 
 

6) No act of man could permanently destroy the Temple, the Sanctuary, the holy feast days, etc. God had punished His people and everything WAS destroyed- the first Temple, but this was all within God’s plans. Only God could have restored everything as it was (70 weeks of years prophecy) revealing He had control over everything! God would ensure everything was restored as it was before Babylon and the last piece of His “restoration process” would be the restoration of the Ark of the Covenant back in the Sanctuary in the form of the Messiah who would arrive on the first day of the 70th week of the prophecy. Now, everything, including the presence of God had been fully restored. 

God had demonstrated the complete destruction of the Temple was not something He would allow to be destroyed (permanently). For two reasons: God wanted to show that these were important physical elements not because they were “the Temple or the Sanctuary,” but because of what God had brought into them. Secondly, they still had an important role to fulfill in His plan of salvation. They had to he restored BEFORE His arrival in the 70th week of the prophecy. God could not allow the permanent destruction of these physical objects until they fulfilled their mission. After the cross they had no further importance to Him. They were just brick and mortar. 
 

But the rejection and crucifixion of the Messiah IS the abomination or the most abominable act His people could possibly do against their God that would cause Him to spiritually abandon His people. The cross is the AOD. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

Depends. It happened I think in 135 BC, happened again in 70 AD, and will happen yet again when the Anti Christ desecrates the temple yet to be built.