Trump shot at rally

[dad2]

5 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

AP FACT CHECK

Online posts falsely claims sharpshooter was told not to fire on suspect in Trump shooting

A spokesman for the Secret Service said snipers are trained and instructed to act whenever they see a threat, and do not await instructions before taking a shot to neutralize a suspect. He said he couldn’t discuss the specifics of agency communication or the details of the ongoing investigation but said the post was false.(end quote)

? I am not sure the issue was what they are supposed to do but what was done. Add the officials inaction to multiple people reporting the sniper well before the assassination attempt, the reaction of some agents after and etc etc and it does not seem clear cut at all.

 There were questions as to why police snipers pointing in the direction of the sniper roof were not taking action. I would think the onus to prove that there was no hanky panky from the top down would be on them, not on those suspicious of what we saw.

Edited July 16, 2024 by dad2

[dad2]

3 hours ago, other one said:

I didn't, Dan Bonjino, who is a professional who did this actual job for years did.   This is not a hostage situation, it's an assassination where the intentions of the shooter are obvious.

Lots of pros, including snipers have another story and question what happened. I wonder what Dan says about why they say a ladder was there to the roof where the the assassin was, and no one did anything? How about his idea of normal policy to allow killers to get off (it is claimed) 8 rounds??

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

? I am not sure the issue was what they are supposed to do but what was done. Add the officials inaction to multiple people reporting the sniper well before the assassination attempt, the reaction of some agents after and etc etc and it does not seem clear cut at all.

 There were questions as to why police snipers pointing in the direction of the sniper roof were not taking action. I would think the onus to prove that there was no hanky panky from the top down would be on them, not on those suspicious of what we saw.

The issue is both.  The Secret Service is trying to put the blame on the local police by saying that area was theirs to cover. BUT the Secret Service were notified by the police that there was a gunman reported in the area even well BEFORE the gunman got on the roof.

Upon hearing from the police that there was a gunman in the area they SHOULD have removed Trump from the stage.  Instead they left Trump out there in the wide open until AFTER the shooter had his chance to hit Trump.

This is a HUGE failure on the part of the Secret Service.  They were either totally incompetent, or this was done intentionally.

They need to investigate WHY Trump was not secured when the first reports of a gunman were announced on the radio to the Secret Service by the police.

[Neighbor]

35 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

The issue is both.  The Secret Service is trying to put the blame on the local police by saying that area was theirs to cover. BUT the Secret Service were notified by the police that there was a gunman reported in the area even well BEFORE the gunman got on the roof.

Upon hearing from the police that there was a gunman in the area they SHOULD have removed Trump from the stage.  Instead they left Trump out there in the wide open until AFTER the shooter had his chance to hit Trump.

This is a HUGE failure on the part of the Secret Service.  They were either totally incompetent, or this was done intentionally.

They need to investigate WHY Trump was not secured when the first reports of a gunman were announced on the radio to the Secret Service by the police.

One might also wonder why those attendees that evidently did see the man did not go bonkers screaming danger! danger! man  with a gun!, at the very least. Why even after the shots and  president Trump was down at the podium, one woman  that had been behind him is seen still standing looking around and back at him.

People have some strange reactions to acute danger, don't they?

[other one]

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

Lots of pros, including snipers have another story and question what happened. I wonder what Dan says about why they say a ladder was there to the roof where the the assassin was, and no one did anything? How about his idea of normal policy to allow killers to get off (it is claimed) 8 rounds??

It's part of the building.  It's welded in place and not removable, from what he said.  I'd post his podcast, but he's really upset about it and used language that I just can't go along with.  Especially here.

[Stewardofthemystery]

14 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

One might also wonder why those attendees that evidently did see the man did not go bonkers screaming danger! danger! man  with a gun!, at the very least. Why even after the shots and  president Trump was down at the podium, one woman  that had been behind him is seen still standing looking around and back at him.

People have some strange reactions to acute danger, don't they?

There was people shouting about the gunman on the roof to the police while video taping him crawling on the roof.  There is video evidence of this.  
I just now learned that they saw the guy 30 minutes BEFORE he shot, and it was reported to the police, who reported it to the Secret Service.

Trump should have been removed from the stage at the very first report of a gunman being spotted in the area.

From a security stand point they failed at every turn.  

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

9 minutes ago, other one said:

It's part of the building.  It's welded in place and not removable, from what he said.  

That building the gunman climbed up on was a staging area for police snipers, they were inside the building when the gunman climbed up on the roof.

This is Keystone cops stuff at every turn.

[dad2]

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The issue is both.  The Secret Service is trying to put the blame on the local police by saying that area was theirs to cover. BUT the Secret Service were notified by the police that there was a gunman reported in the area even well BEFORE the gunman got on the roof.

Suspicious.

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Upon hearing from the police that there was a gunman in the area they SHOULD have removed Trump from the stage.  Instead they left Trump out there in the wide open until AFTER the shooter had his chance to hit Trump.

This is a HUGE failure on the part of the Secret Service.  They were either totally incompetent, or this was done intentionally.

They need to investigate WHY Trump was not secured when the first reports of a gunman were announced on the radio to the Secret Service by the police.

I agree. Avoid the appearance of evil, be up front.

[other one]

1 minute ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

That building the gunman climbed up on was a staging area for police snipers, they were inside the building when the gunman climbed up on the roof.

This is Keystone cops stuff at every turn.

I personally would carry it way past Keystone cops stuff.   Ten-year-old kids playing war games on the internet know not to leave that rooftop open to anyone.  They should have been on the roof, not in the building.

There can't be that much incompetence without someone wanting this to happen.  I'm just not sure who.  But that's just my personal opinion after 50 years of researching through thousands of conspiracies.  We kind of learn what's possible and what's not.

[Sower]

18 minutes ago, other one said:

It's part of the building.  It's welded in place and not removable, from what he said.

That is standard state/city and municipality code to provide permanent climbing access to all roofs in commercial buildings for inspectors of elect and HVAC equipment.