Happy Sabbath

[Guest webling]

3 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:

Don't despair webling.

If the Law was done away with, it would have been much easier to do away with it prior to being scourged and crucified. I agree with you that the Law was fulfilled by Jesus shedding His blood on the cross as the Law does require bloodshed.

Lev.17:11

For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

Rom.10:4 is what has been produced:

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

People will believe what they choose to believe and nothing but divine intervention will alter that.

I think this is one of the things people miss when they see Yeshua is the end of the Torah for righteousness, they think Torah is abolished when in fact it is not. It simply means our righteousness is no longer gotten from Torah, but from Yeshua HaMashiach the living Torah. Obedience shows our faith, without works no one is justified.

Edited July 20, 2024 by webling

[D. Adrien]

7 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

James 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word,

the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; 

lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you,

and thereby many be defiled.

Mark 7: 20-23 defines defilement very well!

And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. 21For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

 And bitterness from not receiving blessings even though one refuses to stop participating in blatant sinning.

[D. Adrien]

2 minutes ago, webling said:

I think this is one of the things people miss when they see Yeshua is the end of the Torah for righteousness, they think Torah is abolished when in fact it is not. It simply means our righteousness is no longer gotten from Torah, but from Yeshua HaMashiach the living Torah. Obedience shows our faith, without works no one is justified.

Rather works point to a living active faith!

[Guest webling]

21 hours ago, farouk said:

The law was changed (Hebrews 7.12).

What the believer now has is better than the law (Hebrews 7.19).

This doesn't mean it was abolished, Messiah came to complete the Torah and he is now the living Torah. Also, it is now written on our hearts if we are truly in him.

Scripture interprets scripture and the Word (Messiah) supercedes all.

Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall by no means enter into the reign of the heavens.
Matthew 5:17-20 TS2009

[Jaydub]

22 hours ago, webling said:

I think this is one of the things people miss when they see Yeshua is the end of the Torah for righteousness, they think Torah is abolished when in fact it is not. It simply means our righteousness is no longer gotten from Torah, but from Yeshua HaMashiach the living Torah. Obedience shows our faith, without works no one is justified.

Matthew 5:17, said, Do not think I have come to abolish the law or the prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to  fulfill them. Jesus fulfilled the law not abolished it. He did not abolish circumcision, he fulfilled it. Circumcision is an eternal command, yet we no longer need to circumcise our bodies, because in Christ we meet this commandment. We are now spiritually circumcised.

Celebrating Passover is an eternal commandment, yet we no longer need to remember Passover, because Christ is our Passover and has fulfilled the command, so that we no longer need to follow the letter of the law, but believe on him and we meet the requirements of these laws. He is our Passover lamb

In the same way Christ fulfilled the Sabbath, by becoming our Sabbath . The weekly Sabbath points to our eternal Sabbath that is in Christ our Lord. In the days of creation, there was evening and morning to divide the days. There was evening and morning the fifth day and evening and morning the sixth day, but on the Sabbath there was neither evening or morning, it was an eternal day a day created for man, but when man sinned, he no longer was able to enter into that rest.

Because of Adams  sin the Lord said, by the sweat of your brow you will eat your food, it is because of sin he needed to work hard for his food and his needs and needed a physical rest day, but in Christ we are freed from sin and able to enter into our eternal rest, now like Passover and circumcision the weekly Sabbath has been fulfilled in Christ. The weekly Sabbath pointed to Christ our true rest. by following Christ, I am in obedience of following the law

 

 

[CaptWalker]

Most Christians are completely unaware that Passover was also considered the High Sabbath day, which would explain how Christ could have risen on the first day of the week. Because He wasn't actually crucified on a Friday but on a Wednesday.

Actually I believe that the greatest Sabbath ever occurred on Wednesday, 4/28/28 AD. But just my opinion. Either way I think we should always try to set a day or time of "rest" to renew your mind/spirit in communion and fellowship with God.

[Neighbor]

16 minutes ago, CaptWalker said:

Most Christians are completely unaware that Passover was also considered the High Sabbath day, which would explain how Christ could have risen on the first day of the week. Because He wasn't actually crucified on a Friday but on a Wednesday.

Actually I believe that the greatest Sabbath ever occurred on Wednesday, 4/28/28 AD. But just my opinion. Either way I think we should always try to set a day or time of "rest" to renew your mind/spirit in communion and fellowship with God.

Hi, Why I bet even fewer are aware  that there were three Sabbaths back to back to back, on that one particular year only, during the earthly ministry of Jesus. -From the teachings of Pastor Eugene Scott "God's angry man".

 

 

[Marathoner]

I never cease to be amazed at how some perceive the Lord as an echo in time and space, and that man is only capable of "communing" with Him on a designated day at a designated time. That's not what pouring His Spirit upon all flesh accomplished. Such cannot comprehend that the beloved of the Lord dwell with Him, and that He dwells with us, each and every day. 

That is indeed what the Lord demonstrated when He declared that the Lord of Sabbath --- Himself --- had come. The Lord of Sabbath permitted His disciples to do as He Himself was doing: working on the Sabbath day. That was most assuredly a violation of the Sabbath ordinance. So were David's actions a violation of ordinances when he ate the showbread because he was hungry. 

The apostle Paul instructs us to render whatever we do to the Lord Himself so we know that by serving our neighbor, we serve the Lord Most High. Therefore, everything we do is an offering and service to the Lord. The need for a "day" to do such things is paltry in comparison to a life dedicated to Holy One. 

Edited July 21, 2024 by Marathoner

[Neighbor]

10 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

by serving our neighbor, we serve the Lord Most High.

I'll second that notion.  

[D. Adrien]

14 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

I never cease to be amazed at how some perceive the Lord as an echo in time and space, and that man is only capable of "communing" with Him on a designated day at a designated time. That's not what pouring His Spirit upon all flesh accomplished. Such cannot comprehend that the beloved of the Lord dwell with Him, and that He dwells with us, each and every day. 

That is indeed what the Lord demonstrated when He declared that the Lord of Sabbath --- Himself --- had come. The Lord of Sabbath permitted His disciples to do as He Himself was doing: working on the Sabbath day. That was most assuredly a violation of the Sabbath ordinance. So were David's actions a violation of ordinances when he ate the showbread because he was hungry. 

The apostle Paul instructs us to render whatever we do to the Lord Himself so we know that by serving our neighbor, we serve the Lord Most High. Therefore, everything we do is an offering and service to the Lord. The need for a "day" to do such things is paltry in comparison to a life dedicated to Holy One. 

The additional requirements added by the religious authorities was what Jesus was in violation of. If He'd been guilty of violating the Sabbath as instructed by the law he ordained, it would have been sin.