The Woman In Transgression

[Mr. M]

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, 

but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

What was Eve's transgression?

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Mr. M said:

What was Eve's transgression?

She believed the fruit would make her like God. (deceived/pride)

"So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate"

Then, God said;

Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
 

To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you."            ESV

 

[Jayne]

1 hour ago, Mr. M said:

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, 

but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

What was Eve's transgression?

She entertained sinful thoughts.

The biggest one being that she saw that she would "be like God".  She was already like God.  She was made in his image.

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, Mr. M said:

What was Eve's transgression?

Hi, Transgression? Perhaps none, for transgression is a deliberate disobedience. Eve was deceived. Being deceived she did not transgress, but did fall into transgression as result of her action upon being deceived. She missed the mark of course (Sin).  

The man, Adam, on the other hand  was not necessarily deceived at all by Satan, and he deliberately partook  along with Eve. He did transgress in  his deliberate action against God's commands. 

PS  See 1 Timothy 2 :14 comment transliterated as transgression - "fell into transgression".

Romans 5:12  attributes Adam as the cause of the fall of mankind, yet all sin and are responsible without excuse.

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, Sower said:

She believed the fruit would make her like God.

 

1 hour ago, Sower said:

She believed the fruit would make her like God.

Do you find it ironic that a desire to be like God would be wrong,

and now Christ has come to make us like God?

Perhaps the transgression is not to desire to be like God,

but to pursue this outside His Will. Before they were prepared.

Christian discipleship is to be prepared for the fullness.

When Christians attempt, for example, to Pastor others

before Christ has so directed and prepared, this too is transgression.

 

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, Transgression? Perhaps none, for transgression is a deliberate disobedience.

She missed the mark. For myself, when I miss the mark, I miss the mark. No excuses.
I do not believe in accidental sins. If I was un prepared or ill equipped that is on me. (NOT the devil)
Everybody knows the archery term 'sin,' is to miss the mark, or bench mark, standard. (God's will, command, TARGET)

I pull back the bow string, aim, (or not) and hit or miss. Me, not someone else or the devil.
Eve was told what not to do, by God, what she then did anyway. She understood. Duh. She chose to disobey.
Matters not the reason, she missed.

Yes neighbor she was deceived, when her pride-lust-pleasure struck like I am deceived also at times.
But that is our own fault. The devil is the great liar/deceiver till this day. That is what he does to influence the weak to sin.
That is why we have been warned, and why God Gave us the spiritual armor. Take every thought captive

1 hour ago, Mr. M said:

 

Do you find it ironic that a desire to be like God would be wrong,

and now Christ has come to make us like God?

Perhaps the transgression is not to desire to be like God,

but to pursue this outside His Will. Before they were prepared.

Christian discipleship is to be prepared for the fullness.

When Christians attempt, for example, to Pastor others

before Christ has so directed and prepared, this too is transgression.

 

          "now Christ has come to make us like God?"

I would rather think to be a servant of God, because our God is a jealous God who does not share his glory.

“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else, nor share my praise with carved idols.

             

                     "Before they were prepared"     

Unlike us today Eve was unprepared about the wiles of the devil, and knew nothing of the full armor. (I assume)
Had she taken thoughts (whispers of the serpent) captive and considered she may have acted differently.
I know I don't always take every thought captive and am also deceived by thoughts, some resulting in sin.
That's on me. My miss for being lazy resulting in a missed mark.

           

[Mr. M]

6 minutes ago, Sower said:

     "now Christ has come to make us like God?"

I would rather think to be a servant of God, because our God is a jealous God who does not share his glory.

“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else, nor share my praise with carved idols.

God like in our disposition towards others is what I meant

by the comment, certainly not "glory seeking", which I fully agree.

The fruit of the Spirit is to glorify His Name.

O, to have divine patience!

Matthew 5:

46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?

Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 

47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more 

than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 

48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Great comments. Thanks

 

[Mr. M]

14 minutes ago, Sower said:

Unlike us today Eve was unprepared about the wiles of the devil, and knew nothing of the full armor. (I assume)
Had she taken thoughts (whispers of the serpent) captive and considered she may have acted differently.
I know I don't always take every thought captive and am also deceived by thoughts, some resulting in sin.
That's on me. My miss for being lazy resulting in a missed mark.

Amen. How easy it is to drift into the same manner of transgression.

[Mr. M]

2 hours ago, Neighbor said:

PS  See 1 Timothy 2 :14 comment transliterated as transgression - "fell into transgression".

transgression-[G3847] parabasis <[G3845] parabaino=transgress:

1. to go by the side of

2. to go past or pass over without touching a thing

3. to overstep, neglect, violate, transgress

4. so to go past as to turn aside from

   1. to depart, leave, be turned from

5. one who abandons his trust.

6. I find no transliteration "to fall into"

7. It is a walking away.

8. Do you think Adam was present at the temptation?

9. Eve brought the fruit to Adam.

10. 12 Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me,

11. she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”

    13 And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

    The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

12. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

13. This is an accurate account of what happened.

14. Eve acted on her own.

15. The point of Romans 5:12 is that man as the head remains

16. responsible for the actions of his wife/daughters.

 

[Jayne]

11 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Do you think Adam was present at the temptation?

1. Eve brought the fruit to Adam.

2. 12 Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me,

3. she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”

   13 And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

   The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

4. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

5. This is an accurate account of what happened.

6. Eve acted on her own.

7. The point of Romans 5:12 is that man as the head remains

8. responsible for the actions of his wife/daughters.

 

Yes, Adam was there when Eve and the serpent had a conversation.  The Bible clearly states that.

Genesis 3:6-8 = "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves."

Yes, Eve was deceived because she entertained the words of the serpent.  No, Adam was not deceived.  He just flat out and deliberately disobeyed as if God had never given him instruction on how to BE obedient.

Both are equally sinful.  Paul said that he, himself was deceived.  Jesus said in Revelation that the whole world is deceived.  And all people at times sin knowing full well that should not do what they are about to do.

I've never had a husband so I don't know what that is like to be lorded over.  But I did have a wonderful father.  He instructed  me and both he and my mother chastened me when I deserved it.

However, once I became aware of personal sin - those sins were on ME.  Not my parents.