should the bible be taught in school?

[Ghostdog]

i saw a story about a state that is making teachers teach the bible in schools. do you think this is a good idea?

[missmuffet]

2 minutes ago, Ghostdog said:

i saw a story about a state that is making teachers teach the bible in schools. do you think this is a good idea?

It is definitely a good idea but there is no way that the worldly public schools will go for it. Their main supervisor and principal is Satan.

[Jayne]

I know that conservative and Christian people hate public schools and really do believe that we are all under the supervision of satan, but it just isn't true.  I have to hear it from the pulpit, Fox News [they REALLY hate public schools and teachers like me] and every Christian message board I have ever visited.

I know you aren't going to believe me, but we aren't of the devil.

I shared, I think I shared here, how 26 states rebelled this summer against the Biden administration's change in Title IX making it possible for boys to play on girl's teams and go to girl's bathrooms.  My state, Louisiana, led the way and 25 other states joined us and sued and said NO!!!  Then, while other states did not join the law suit, others were closely watching and now no states are required to do this nonsense.  WILL some states do this?  Yes, like Minnesota of course.  

But you all have NO idea how many public school systems across our land fight this woke mess.

I DID use the Bible in my public school classes.  I was allowed to teach creationism whenever evolution was presented, which in junior high was not that often.  The Gideons brought Bibles to 5th graders all the time and I would show classes some scriptures to mark.

I kept a plaque of the 10 Commandments on my desk and Muslim students would ask me questions many times during the change of classes and I always answered.

In my English literature class, when I taught a condensed version of Frankenstein [NEVER Dracula, but Frankenstein is a morality play], I passed out the Gideon Bibles from the libray and we read Genesis 1-4.  We then wrote essays comparing and contrasting Dr. Frankenstein and his creature with God and his relationship with the man/woman he actually created.  Their papers were awesome.

There are SCORES of public schools that teach the Bible as literature, as part of their history curriculum, and have Bible clubs and Fellowship of Christian Students and Athletes.

But to evangelize in the classroom with the Bible isn't going to be feasible.  We have students of all religious backgrounds.  "Public" school.  Besides, even if every single student were church goers - are the public schools suppose to teach the Baptist, Pentecostal, or Catholic doctrine?

Trust me, I taught in two Christian school over four years.  I taught math and taught the Bible for an hour every single day.  Teaching for the purpose of understanding and for evangelism.  I had Baptist, Catholic, Pentecostal, Assembly of God, and Methodist students all in one class.  I stuck strictly to the text and it was still not always easy when so many pre-conceived beliefs came to my class each day.

 

 

 

Edited September 21, 2024 by Jayne

[Neighbor]

"Hate" of public schools: Might be a bit of an overreach there. Hate is too strong a word.

I personally have been in the spiritual  battle with public school systems administrative edicts within the USA since 1968.  The battle is fought out on physical turf of course, but it is a spiritual battle.  

The alternatives to public school systems; private academies, charter schools within school systems, home schools, online schools, Christian schools, RCC schools, other religious bodies with schools of their own, all face very similar serious challenges to  the purpose of school.

There are way too many fads in education.  The fads no longer last for even half the term of a child's  primary education. So children get an ever changing set of rules of order, with entirely contradictory goals and measures to be living up to; all while teachers themselves are a revolving door of bodies filling desks and little podiums.

Tools of education change constantly too; white boards, smart boards, central computer systems,  laptops, intranet, internet, along with the changing standards  for teachers, to  teach critical thinking, teach to the test to meet standards in order to receive assurance of funding, plus send in daily  and weekly reports to parents, guardians,  principal, and other  agencies of oversight. It is all nuts! And that doesn't even begin to address the personal safety crisis at absolutely every school everywhere.

Plus the whole generation attending school at any level when COVID hit are seriously shortchanged in ways that only decades to come will more fully reveal to us all. 

But hate? No! Lots of confusion, disappointment, hurt, suffering, and fear  of the immediate unknown that is bringing mass murder into education facilities. Near everyone is on edge as lives are being changed all around our young.

The health endemic of autism and other labels put on kids  that are then drugged (Legally)  into quiet submission are a disaster upon the USA if not much of the world.

 

[Sower]

47 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

"Hate" of public schools: Might be a bit of an overreach there. Hate is too strong a word.

I personally have been in the spiritual  battle with public school systems administrative edicts within the US since 1968.  The battle is fought out on physical turf of course, but it is a spiritual battle.

In the early 80's on christian radio I listened to the "Point of View" radio talk show with Marlin Maddoux from Dallas TX.
It was then that I heard his broadcast down in south central Tx about what the government run schools were doing to our kids.
The 'Values Clarification' curricula started in the 60's was implemented in all public schools, nationwide, without any parents notification. This course changes the morals of those exposed to the teaching.

We found out our kids were being taught it so we pulled them out.
We taught them at home ourselves, which was illegal in Texas back then. They went on later all to college.
They all made the deans list. Not geniuses, just fortunate to have been taught the basic academics.

We taught the bible in our school. Yes, teaching the bible in school is not only good but has been for centuries.

 

Answers by Bodie Hodge

"In fact, schools had originally been formed by the Puritans in the 1600s to teach children to read and learn the Bible. Later, in the new nation, the Founders continued to encourage the teaching of religion and morality in schools through the Northwest Ordinance of 1787"

Founding-era Americans of the 1700s, like the early Puritans, strongly encouraged education and the teaching of the Bible in schools.  Early Americans believed education–Bible education, in particular–was essential in a free republic such as the United States.  Teaching the Bible was, they thought, an effective means to encourage religion and morality—and, ultimately, self-government—among the people.  In fact, schools had originally been formed by the Puritans in the 1600s to teach children to read and learn the Bible.  Later, in the new nation, the Founders continued to encourage the teaching of religion and morality in schools through the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.

Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford—All Once Christian colleges/Universities

Most of the colleges in the United States that started over 300 years ago were bible proclaiming schools originally. Harvard and Yale (originally Puritan) and Princeton (originally Presbyterian) once had rich Christian histories.

Harvard was named after a Christian minister. Yale was started by clergymen, and Princeton’s first year of class was taught by Reverend Jonathan Dickinson. Princeton’s crest still says “Dei sub numine viget,” which is Latin for “Under God she flourishes.”

Thanks Neighbor

[Jayne]

52 minutes ago, Sower said:

The 'Values Clarification' curricula started in the 60's was implemented in all public schools, nationwide, without any parents notification. This course changes the morals of those exposed to the teaching.

?????

I was a student in the 60's and 70's in Louisiana and was never introduced to that.

I never even heard of it until I was in college and in 1983 - my teacher's class had ONE lesson on it and we all thought it was most ridiculous.  After I graduated and taught for 32 years, I can truthfully say that no curriculum I taught from ever required it.  None.

I guess it skipped Louisiana.

[Jayne]

Sigh.....that's all I can say.

 

[ladypeartree]

The main problem I can see is that if schools are required to teach from the bible how long will it be before they are also required to teach from other religions books ? . I recall a lecturer in UNI where she claimed we couldn't teach about Christmas from a biblical view nor even teach anything about Christ ( and this was believe it or not in a religious studies lecture )  in case it offended other faiths ... at that time you were able to withdraw a child from such lessons if it was against your belief so I spoke to the dean and was exempted from all her lectures as a matter of faith . Sadly I also found in assemblies that required teachers to take turns delivering most of them used it just to speak about what was going on sports / dram etc wise so I often volunteered to take over their turns ( much to their delight ) so at least the assemblies had some worth in learning about Christ even if it was just half an hour twice a week  

Now ????  I doubt  very much that it would be allowed as I would NOT teach other faiths beliefs 

[Gracejj]

Absolutely!!!

""No one should be left behind"" with regards to learning about word of God.  God's creation Genesis, Noah's Ark and flood, David and goliath,  Jesus's birthn death and resurrection and 2nd coming and many.. many more stories would definitely be an interesting read for anyone.

Some part of the Asian countries has their own religious stories been taught to children at school as a form of literature, its part of their curriculum. So for the school, it doesn't matter what religion your household follows when you come to school you must learn about their religions  in the form of Stories, poems, quotes etc. 

[Neighbor]

5 hours ago, Jayne said:

But you all have NO idea how many public school systems across our land fight this woke mess.

 Perhaps you are correct in general, BUT there are many  parents and guardians   that do  know that the real power lays at the ballot box in their own school districts, not State, not National, but local school district elections. School District board members are elected locally.  

School superintendents are very sensitive to  their own public image, and do sit up straight when the board meetings are packed with voting citizens lined up to speak at the board meetings; that and when individual parents make appointments to speak with the superintendent personally. There is really big money in education salary and bonuses at the superintendent level. Money talks loudest when it is being talked by those that pay local property  real estate tax.

There is competition between schools today  in the USA, district by district, school by school, and type of education system by type.  When population grows wildly, as it is at Florida, yet public student  school population  base drops, the system does sit up and take notice.  Unfortunately some kids do not have that interested in them adult to do their best fight for them.  

And so I do  suggest to all please be adopting a school by name, praying for it's students, its teachers, and the adults that are the mentors in those particular student's lives. Get in the game, be involved.