Explaining the the Parenthetical Citation chapters in the Book of Revelation The Chronological Order of the book of Revelation

[JoeCanada]

@Revelation Man

Bro..... you go on and on and on .... and you keep dodging the point that I'm making. 

You accuse me of dodging .... and yet, you do the exact same thing.

You expect me to answer your long winded replies, and when I only answer one point, you accuse me of playing dodge ball. You do not overcome my thesis .... you simply refuse to answer, and instead you go down a bunch of rabbit holes.

How about you just stick to the one point that I'm making ... which is about "who are the recipients of the Revelation that God gave to Jesus in the very first verse in chapter one?  (which you acknowledged is the church, that's good)

.... and then Jesus telling us in chapter 22 verse 16 that "these things are for the churches"?

But then you say ......  "The first part of Revelation is as I describe, about Jesus the Eternal Lord in chapter 1 and about the 7 Churches (7 types through all the Church Age) and that is where the Churches mentions in the book of Revelation is finished")

If Rev 22:16 says "these things are for the churches" .... the things written in Revelation .... then your whole thesis falls apart ... the pre-trib doctrine fails.

If you  say "that the things written in Revelation are not for the church because the church is gone near  the beginning of Revelation" .... then you are disputing the words of Jesus and you are adding to Scripture ... or taking away from Scripture.

So what will it be?

Are you acknowledging that Rev 22:16 is true, that Jesus is speaking truth, that the things written in Revelation are for the church?

OR

Are you denying that Rev 22:16 is true, that Jesus is speaking truth, that  the things written in Revelation are for the church?

 

[JoeCanada]

Silence is golden....

And deafening!

[Revelation Man]

On 10/26/2024 at 10:11 PM, JoeCanada said:

Silence is golden....

And deafening!

I don't chew my cud twice, I already answered and destroyed your thesis, whether you understand this or not is not relevant to the facts of the matter. 

Rev. 4:4 and 5:9-10 destroy your whole thesis that the Rapture is post trib. As a guy called to prophesy 40 years, I do not take anyone's eschatology serious when you can't even get the timings of the end times down and/or the raptures timing correct. 

Its obvious the letters were too the church, then the Church is Raptured in Rev. 4:1 and you can't get that from that point on the book of Rev. is no longer about the 7 churches but about "THE THINGS THAT ARE HEREAFTER" Meaning after the 7 churches. 

Its too simple to not be able to grasp tbh.

[JoeCanada]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I don't chew my cud twice, I already answered and destroyed your thesis, whether you understand this or not is not relevant to the facts of the matter. 

Rev. 4:4 and 5:9-10 destroy your whole thesis that the Rapture is post trib. As a guy called to prophesy 40 years, I do not take anyone's eschatology serious when you can't even get the timings of the end times down and/or the raptures timing correct. 

Its obvious the letters were too the church, then the Church is Raptured in Rev. 4:1 and you can't get that from that point on the book of Rev. is no longer about the 7 churches but about "THE THINGS THAT ARE HEREAFTER" Meaning after the 7 churches. 

Its too simple to not be able to grasp tbh.

To start with ... it wasn't my thesis. I was responding to your thesis. All I did was question your first few lines....

You stated ""The first part of Revelation is as I describe, about Jesus the Eternal Lord in chapter 1 and about the 7 Churches (7 types through all the Church Age) and that is where the Churches mentions in the book of Revelation is finished")

That is the statement you made that I responded to. It wasn't a thesis on my part. Just a simple response to "what you describe"

You only give your opinion. You would think that after 40 years of being Revman that you would be able to back up what your claims with scripture. But you don't seem to be able to. 

You always claim to "destroy" a persons reply to your opinions .... but the weapon that you are using is firing blanks.

You say "book of Rev. is no longer about the 7 churches but about "THE THINGS THAT ARE HEREAFTER" Meaning after the 7 churches. "

One more time sir .... Rev 22:16:

        "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you  these things for the churches.

That is NOT my opinion ..... That is scripture.

Why do you continue to deny Jesus's words?

[Revelation Man]

9 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

To start with ... it wasn't my thesis. I was responding to your thesis. All I did was question your first few lines....

You stated ""The first part of Revelation is as I describe, about Jesus the Eternal Lord in chapter 1 and about the 7 Churches (7 types through all the Church Age) and that is where the Churches mentions in the book of Revelation is finished")

That is the statement you made that I responded to. It wasn't a thesis on my part. Just a simple response to "what you describe"

You only give your opinion. You would think that after 40 years of being Revman that you would be able to back up what your claims with scripture. But you don't seem to be able to. 

You always claim to "destroy" a persons reply to your opinions .... but the weapon that you are using is firing blanks.

You say "book of Rev. is no longer about the 7 churches but about "THE THINGS THAT ARE HEREAFTER" Meaning after the 7 churches. "

One more time sir .... Rev 22:16:

        "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you  these things for the churches.

That is NOT my opinion ..... That is scripture.

Why do you continue to deny Jesus's words?

The book of Revelation, as a whole is to the whole body, that's why its a Blessing to all who read it, but it is not about the Church past Rev. 4:1 regardless of what you say.

Like Trump I may not always speak or type things plainly, especially when  I am tired, or my diabetes is high or low as sometime happens, but the fact is I wrote about the whole book of REVELATION, then you come in with some something akin to what the pharisees tried doing to Jesus with a question I have no clue why you can't just respond to the whole book, the facts are we the church will not be here for the 70th week, your questions or doubts are never going to change that fact at all. 

When you get to heaven and find out I was correct about everything, then it will hit you that you fell prey to Satan the liar. You are not called unto eschatology, that is evident. 

Now explain who those people are in Rev. 4:4 and 5:9-10 and even in Rev. 7:9-16 and in  Rev. 19 who marry the lamb. You can't because you are stuck on an erroneous assumption. I always destroy erroneous end time understandings. You can never win a debate with me because you start out on the wrong side of the equation, when you then say 2 + 2 = 5 you have already lost the debate but just do not understand your addition is bad. 

Edited October 29, 2024 by Revelation Man

[JoeCanada]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The book of Revelation, as a whole is to the whole body, that's why its a Blessing to all who read it, but it is not about the Church past Rev. 4:1 regardless of what you say.

but it is not about the Church past Rev. 4:1 regardless of what you say.

Really!

What about what Jesus says, will you believe what Jesus says ... or will you deny what He says:

"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you  these things for the churches. .... Rev 22:16

Seems pretty straight forward to me. Jesus said it.

Enough said.

[JoeCanada]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I always destroy erroneous end time understandings. You can never win a debate with me because you start out on the wrong side. 

Bahahahahahahahahaha......

You're funny 

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, JoeCanada said:

but it is not about the Church past Rev. 4:1 regardless of what you say.

Really!

What about what Jesus says, will you believe what Jesus says ... or will you deny what He says:

"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you  these things for the churches. .... Rev 22:16

Seems pretty straight forward to me. Jesus said it.

Enough said.

Again, this is lazy brother, Rev. 19 ends the 70th week, everything after that is about the 1000 year reign where Satan is locked up, then the New Heaven and New Earth and in Rev. 22 we get the Epilogue of the whole book. 

Be honest with yourself. You know every point you make is not a serious point, you have to try and do it though because you are stuck in you post trib. Rapture theory, which can not hold water. 

Those who think they know it all and don't always laugh but do not understand the jokes on you.

Until you can understand the Raptures true timing, the joke will always be on you brother. And you can never discuss anything serious because you are too devoted unto a sham theory, its you be all go to, and when your be all go to move is in error, everything else via your understanding of Eschatology will also be in error. You start from New York to LA by getting on I-75 South and wonder why you never see signs that California is getting close. 

You are right I can't destroy you, you destroy your own self on all things eschatology. 

[Last Daze]

14 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

but it is not about the Church past Rev. 4:1 regardless of what you say.

Really!

What about what Jesus says, will you believe what Jesus says ... or will you deny what He says:

"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you  these things for the churches. .... Rev 22:16

Seems pretty straight forward to me. Jesus said it.

Enough said.

This is a really good point.  Sometimes people become too invested in their pet beliefs to ever admit that they're wrong, even when its obvious they are.  It's a cautionary tale, and all the "prophetic authorities" would do well to heed it.

[Revelation Man]

On 10/29/2024 at 10:37 AM, Last Daze said:

This is a really good point.  Sometimes people become too invested in their pet beliefs to ever admit that they're wrong, even when its obvious they are.  It's a cautionary tale, and all the "prophetic authorities" would do well to heed it.

Its my calling of God for 40 years, I understand the holy spirits voice. You will also see your "pet beliefs" were in error. If you can't get the timing  of the rapture right you will never understand end time eschatology.