Bema Judgement & Great White Throne at Same Time?

[TheBlade]

One of the many things I have learned is my personal belief is now what God is going to do. I do notice how some take what GOD did in the past and will to the same. Ok I agree but you can't pick and choose here. Well if God did in fact (He did) take two that never tasted death to heaven.. who are we to tell the one true and only GOD He can't do that for His Church? Christ who only said what the Father said.. He will go back make us a home/place and would come back receive us, take us, get us so where He is we will be. Where is He? 

Another thing I learned is doubt has always stopped God. He did say if I doubt then let not that man think he will get anything.. not somethings but anything from God. So much of this stuff we say here is based on our personal belief and feelings. This has always been about Israel. Now for me I "personally" believe like Lot who had to be taken out of the way. God said if there was just 10 righteous there then no wrath.. how odd today if we stay there will be MILLIONS of righteous where God still pours out His wrath not here or there but as its written the whole earth and all it in. 

Its ok because you know your personal belief will save you protect you right? Me? I have no clue.. He went to make me place and will come get me so where He is I will be. For me reading 1st Thess where there were no chapters and verses .. Christ will come dead rise we will then go together to be with Christ forever. I just cannot prove when and since I can not I must just simply believe He will come... and I am ready now

[seeking the lost]

On 10/2/2024 at 11:32 AM, missmuffet said:

Matthew 25 comes at the end of the 7 year tribulation.

Matthew 25 can only be at the time of the resurrection at the end of the thousand years.  Sheep and goats are brought together before the throne and then separated.

[missmuffet]

55 minutes ago, seeking the lost said:

Matthew 25 can only be at the time of the resurrection at the end of the thousand years.  Sheep and goats are brought together before the throne and then separated.

Please post Scripture supporting your theory that the separation of the sheep and goats is at the end of the 1000 years.

 

[seeking the lost]

8 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Please post Scripture supporting your theory that the separation of the sheep and goats is at the end of the 1000 years.

 

The judgment of Matthew takes place at the time of the resurrection which is stated to be at the end of the thousand years.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Final Judgment

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[missmuffet]

33 minutes ago, seeking the lost said:

The judgment of Matthew takes place at the time of the resurrection which is stated to be at the end of the thousand years.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Final Judgment

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Are you amillennial?

[seeking the lost]

14 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Are you amillennial?

How do you define a millennial?

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, seeking the lost said:

How do you define a millennial?

An amillennial believer does not believe in the literal 1000 year rein of Jesus Christ on this earth after the 7 year tribulation.

[seeking the lost]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

An amillennial believer does not believe in the literal 1000 year rein of Jesus Christ on this earth after the 7 year tribulation.

I definitely am not that.  I believe that there will be a seven-year tribulation period followed by a period of one thousand years that will conclude on the last day.  The last day is when Jesus told us that those who believe in Him will be raised.  

John 6:

39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

41The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. 42And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? 43Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 

The rapture follows the resurrection just as Paul said.

[missmuffet]

3 hours ago, seeking the lost said:

I definitely am not that.  I believe that there will be a seven-year tribulation period followed by a period of one thousand years that will conclude on the last day.  The last day is when Jesus told us that those who believe in Him will be raised.  

John 6:

39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

41The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. 42And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? 43Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 

The rapture follows the resurrection just as Paul said.

We are now in the grace period. Then comes the rapture of the Church. Then the 7 year tribulation then the eternal state of the New Heavens and New Earth. Is that different than what you believe? Maybe you are post trib? The believers will have their resurrected bodies at the rapture of the Church.

[Marilyn C]

On 10/2/2024 at 2:11 AM, Vine Abider said:

Listening to Christian radio yesterday, a popular brother who has had a Q&A program for over 25 years (Steve Gregg) said something I'd never heard.  A caller asked about the Bema Seat (Greek) of Christ (2 Cor 5:10 & Rom 14:10 - most often translated "judgement seat") and when it occurred.  The host stated that there is no place in scripture which indicates it is separate from the "great white throne" judgment depicted in Revelation 20, and said that it is at one time.  I'm not sure, but I think he meant it was one big event, with two main aspects - judgement of unbelievers and judgement of believers. 

According to my theology, the Bema judgement aspect is for believers to have their actions and works judged, and does not pertain to their eternal salvation.  That is, when we are reborn, the life of Christ is sent into us, making us the Father's children. "Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts."  (Gal 4:6)  This life is eternal, and our sins have been paid for in Christ, but our works as His children will come under His righteous scrutiny at the Bema, and rewarded accordingly.  Then, the great white throne judgement is for those who have rejected God's provision in Christ.

So I had always thought of this as two separate events and times with the Bema occurring before the millennial reign and the great white throne occurring after the thousand year kingdom.  But I may have just realized where the host is coming from - I know from listening for a long time that he doesn't accept dispensationalistic thought.  Therefore he probably doesn't see a distinct thousand year kingdom reign occurring. 

What do you see in scripture concerning the timing of these two judgements?

Interesting article discussing this matter: https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/is-the-bema-seat-reserved-for-christians-or-unbelievers-in-the-end-times.html#:~:text=In the Bible%2C The Bema,103%3A10-12).

Very good Vine Abider,

I agree with you as to what God`s word says.