Bema Judgement & Great White Throne at Same Time?

[Mr. M]

12 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Did God not rescue Noah and Lot and his daughters?

He did not take them to heaven.

A better comparison is the judgments

poured out on Egypt.

God's people were there, but unharmed. 

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

I am fully confident that the Lord has

already delivered us from the wrath to come.

I intend to be a witness until the end.

Edited October 2, 2024 by Mr. M

[missmuffet]

9 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

He did not take them to heaven. A better comparison is the judgments

poured out on Egypt. God's people were there, but unharmed. 

I am fully confident that the Lord has already delivered us 

from the wrath to come. I intend to be a witness until the end.

The only way to keep the born again Christians safe before we enter the 7 year tribulation is to take them to a safe place which is heaven. Those who believe in a post tribulation theory think that God will keep them safe and unharmed from the disasters that will fall upon this earth at that time. That is not true. Those in the 7 year tribulation will suffer huge disasters and what will be like hell on this earth. The only ones who will be kept from harm are the 144,000 the 12 tribes of Israel. God will place a seal on them to keep them safe.

[Mr. M]

9 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

1 Corinthians 15:42-53

2 Corinthians 5:1-5 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

Isaiah 62:11 Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation comes; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

[Mr. M]

5 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

The only way to keep the born again Christians safe before we enter the 7 year tribulation is to take them to a safe place which is heaven. Those who believe in a post tribulation theory think that God will keep them safe and unharmed from the disasters that will fall upon this earth at that time. That is not true. Those in the 7 year tribulation will suffer huge disasters and what will be like hell on this earth. The only ones who will be kept from harm are the 144,000 the 12 tribes of Israel. God will place a seal on them to keep them safe.

Is there a scripture reference to support this, or should we simply take your word for it? Isn't this your quote?

"Those Christians who remain alive and survive the 7 year tribulation(there will not be many) will inhabit the 1000 year millennium in their mortal bodies." 

You claims are not consistent with Rev 20, or your contention that "The only way to keep the born again Christians safe before we enter the 7 year tribulation is to take them to a safe place which is heaven".

No born again Christian survives having their head removed, they are resurrected, this is the "first resurrection". Rev 20

[missmuffet]

9 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Is there a scripture reference to support this, or should we simply take your word for it? Isn't this your quote?

"Those Christians who remain alive and survive the 7 year tribulation(there will not be many) will inhabit the 1000 year millennium in their mortal bodies." 

You claims are not consistent with Rev 20, or your contention that "The only way to keep the born again Christians safe before we enter the 7 year tribulation is to take them to a safe place which is heaven".

No born again Christian survives having their head removed, they are resurrected, this is the "first resurrection". Rev 20

Matthew 25:31-46

[BornAgain490]

33 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

God will rescue the born again Christians from the 7 year tribulation and take them to heaven to be with Him. Did God not rescue Noah

Where does the Bible explicitly say this?

 

34 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Did God not rescue Noah and Lot and his daughters?

Yes. But they remained here on earth while God poured out His wrath. And the wrath of God appears to have been poured out on the same day Lot fled Sodom and Gomorrha.  

 

36 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world

Remember, this is Jesus speaking.  John wrote Revelation and the Gospel of John. In both, John quotes Jesus using the same word for "keep thee from", which is the Greek word "tērēsēs", which means: to watch over, to guard over, protect from.  It does not mean to take out of the world. Jesus even prayed to the Father NOT to take His disciples out of the world, but keep them from, guard them from, watch over them, protect them from (tērēsē) the evil. (John 17:15).  So, too, when Jesus tells John to write to the Philadelphia ekklesia, Jesus tells John to write that He will keep them, guard them, watch 0ver them, protect them, from trials to come. 

Did the Philadelphia ekklesia get raptured?  Nope.  

[BornAgain490]

46 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Daniel 9:24-27

Matthew 24:21

Matthew 24:29-30

You're imposing a theology into scripture and not letting scripture speak for itself.   None of those passages say there is a seven year tribulation period.  Jesus mentions tribulation and great tribulation, but he never once said it was seven years long, and never once said the ekklesia would escape it.  

[missmuffet]

5 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

You're imposing a theology into scripture and not letting scripture speak for itself.   None of those passages say there is a seven year tribulation period.  Jesus mentions tribulation and great tribulation, but he never once said it was seven years long, and never once said the ekklesia would escape it.  

Then you are giving Scripture your own meaning and not what God intended.

[BornAgain490]

48 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

1 Corinthians 15:42-53

That scripture never says we are taken to Heaven to be glorified. It is saying the dead are resurrected and given incorruptible bodies like Christ's.  Likewise for those of us who are alive at Christ's coming, we are changed from this corrupt flesh to incorruptible when Christ returns, then we meet Him in the air and we return with Christ to the earth when He begins His rule and reign from earth.  

[angels4u]

9 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

You're imposing a theology into scripture and not letting scripture speak for itself.   None of those passages say there is a seven year tribulation period.  Jesus mentions tribulation and great tribulation, but he never once said it was seven years long, and never once said the ekklesia would escape it.  

Its ok to agree to disagree :)

At least you know now what other people may believe :)