The Prodigal Son

[Dennis1209]

49 minutes ago, other one said:

I deleted my post, after rereading it, it sounded a little too much like an accusation.

I was not thinking of anyone but myself.

[Michael37]

3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I am guilty of plagiarism from time to time, primarily because I don't have the time or laziness to include the citation. It is a discussion forum, after all.

Then again, I am not writing a book or collage paper for grading or peer review. However, there can be consequences for taking credit for someone else's work.

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[Dennis1209]

9 hours ago, Michael37 said:

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Hello Michael,

I am not quibbling or debating the T.O.S.; I must follow the rules. I am not a legal expert, so correct me if I am wrong: Being technical and cumulative, in my opinion, many here infringe on copyright laws, exceeding cumulative limitations and allowances set forth by quoting and posting scripture. For brevity, I will omit contacting the copyright holder(s) when writing a book that exceeds their copyright limitations and permissions.

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[Michael37]

6 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Hello Michael,

I am not quibbling or debating the T.O.S.; I must follow the rules. I am not a legal expert, so correct me if I am wrong: Being technical and cumulative, in my opinion, many here infringe on copyright laws, exceeding cumulative limitations and allowances set forth by quoting and posting scripture. For brevity, I will omit contacting the copyright holder(s) when writing a book that exceeds their copyright limitations and permissions.

Leviticus 19:11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

 NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE

Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1971, 1972,

1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by THE LOCKMAN FOUNDATION

A Corporation Not for Profit

All Rights Reserved^[1]

The Classic Reference Edition, English Standard Version^® (ESV^®)
Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles,
a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers
All rights reserved.^[2]

The (LSB®) Legacy Standard Bible®,

Copyright © 2024 by The Lockman Foundation.

Used by permission. All rights reserved.^[3]  [And so forth].

 

 

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^[2] The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016).

^[3] Legacy Standard Bible (Three Sixteen Publishing, 2022).

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[TheBlade]

I loved you then and I love you know.. song playing.. oh perfect timing. 

 I wonder sometimes.. we think we will be running to Him.. but no He will be running to us. He longs for us more then we do for Him. Like Christ said "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing."

I like that "how often I"

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, TheBlade said:

I loved you then and I love you know.. song playing.. oh perfect timing. 

 I wonder sometimes.. we think we will be running to Him.. but no He will be running to us. He longs for us more then we do for Him. Like Christ said "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing."

I like that "how often I"

With all due respect I cannot understand your post. The scripture says "seek me and you shall find me". 

I know that in the knew Covenant when the word is spoken the Holy Spirit has some work to do. And even before the word comes forth the Holy Spirit may prepare people for the word that are about to hear according to the word of God. 

[farouk]

On 11/18/2024 at 1:44 PM, LaMonte said:

 

     The pivotal point to me is when the son said, “I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, 19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants”. (Luk 15:18) The son went back to his father in repentance, acknowledging his sin, and seeking pardon. 

     I think of King David in “Psa 51:1 “Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. 2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity and cleanse me from my sin. 3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.”

Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

     The prodigal son came back to his father totally broken like King David did. I remember so many times when sons or daughters have totally rebelled against their parents, and they want to come home with some strings attached. Those strings could be, I am going to party a little, smoked marijuana or drink a little, they are playing more than working.

     If they come back with any stipulations that is not true repentance and they’re not really a prodigal son, they are a rebellious son. Look at what the prodigal son said to his father “Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. 

This is true repentance.

Hi @LaMonte Psalm 51 is so searching, indeed. Fits well with Paul in Romans 2: 'the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance'.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 11/18/2024 at 5:59 PM, AdHoc said:

I need some time for that one too. A parable is a limited picture to illustrate a point. I can't see Jesus voluntarily leaving His father's House. I can't see Him not be the firstborn. I can't see Him "wasting His Father's goods". I see no riotous living. Yes he died among the pigs, but that was planned. He did not have to confess sin against His Father, nor heaven ... and so on.

I'll need some convincing.

Jesus said this parable for a number of reasons and by that time He knew what the scriptures had written about Him. He knew that He cannot be the first born from the dead unless He suffered and died first. 

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. 

In Revelation1: 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

The Father said in Luke15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again.

  The children of Abraham Ismael the Son of Haggar and Issac the Son of Sarah. They were brothers but from different women. 

And Esau and Jacob the sons of Issac from the same wife. 

The children of the Law the sons of Jacob from Issac, from Abraham and after the children of Grace the sons of Jesus Christ. 

First Ismael and after Issac. Firsr Esau and after Jacob who received the honor of God to include in him all his children, his children from all the other women and from all of them to have a Nation for himself it was after he came back from being a Sheppard in a far way land. 

The elder brother after hearing the news about his brother and what the Father did to put on him the Ruler's Robe and the Ruler's ring and Celebrating him with a lot of guest he only complaint that the Father did not give him a kid to celebrate with his friends.  

The elder brother not to heed the Father's persisted invitation to enter the house and celebrate with him his younger brother and no entering the house or remaining outside does it have something to do for the Gospel was preached to him, definitely it shows that he heard the news of the younger brother but he decided to not be part of the celebrations.

Does it have something to do for the jews who refused to believe the good news of the resurrection of Jesus and thus they are positionaly out side of the Father's house. 

The Son in this parable is protected as a Sheppard to the pigs. 

This is how Jesus was perceived as a Sheppard to the unrighteous children of Israel. As Jesus said I have come for the lost children of Israel. Jesus kept company to the sinners and sat down with them and ate from their food. As supposed of eating from the table of the Lord together with the Priests. 

And he was friend to the prostitutes and all other sinners and was perceived that he was also one of them. Their comunity was seperated between the ceremonially clean and the unclean and Jesus kept company to the unclean as the lepers the woman with the issue the adulterer woman the man in the pool the demoniac man in the cemetery. Even he benefited the Gentiles.Definitely Jesus was a Sheppard to the unclean and unriteous. And took care of them like a good Sheppard would. 

When the logos decided to come to us Jesus he knew that he will have to die and that after that he will return to his Father. 

Definitely Jesus was not a Jew subject to the Jewish law of clean and unclean. He touched the lepers and the lepers became clean and he was clean. If a Jew touch anything unclean he becomes unclean and he needs cleansing. But not for Jesus he did not need the cleansing laws and definitely not the yearly Atonements.

Wasting His goods the Father had given him it can be taken when Jesus used his gifts from the Father to help and healed the prostitutes and adulterous and  the sinners as in the Jewish at that time the belief was that was their punishment from God. 

 

Edited November 27, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[AdHoc]

15 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus said this parable for a number of reasons and by that time He knew what the scriptures had written about Him. He knew that He cannot be the first born from the dead unless He suffered and died first. 

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. 

In Revelation1: 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

The Father said in Luke15:24 

For this my son was dead, and is alive again.

  The children of Abraham Ismael the Son of Haggar and Issac the Son of Sarah. They were brothers but from different women. 

And Esau and Jacob the sons of Issac from the same wife. 

The children of the Law the sons of Jacob from Issac, from Abraham and after the children of Grace the sons of Jesus Christ. 

First Ismael and after Issac. Firsr Esau and after Jacob who received the honor of God to include in him all his children, his children from all the other women and from all of them to have a Nation for himself it was after he came back from being a Sheppard in a far way land. 

The elder brother after hearing the news about his brother and what the Father did to put on him the Ruler's Robe and the Ruler's ring and Celebrating him with a lot of guest he only complaint that the Father did not give him a kid to celebrate with his friends.  

The elder brother not to heed the Father's persisted invitation to enter the house and celebrate with him his younger brother and no entering the house or remaining outside does it have something to do for the Gospel was preached to him, definitely it shows that he heard the news of the younger brother but he decided to not be part of the celebrations.

Does it have something to do for the jews who refused to believe the good news of the resurrection of Jesus and thus they are positionaly out side of the Father's house. 

The Son in this parable is protected as a Sheppard to the pigs. 

This is how Jesus was perceived as a Sheppard to the unrighteous children of Israel. As Jesus said I have come for the lost children of Israel. Jesus kept company to the sinners and sat down with them and ate from their food. As supposed of eating from the table of the Lord together with the Priests. 

And he was friend to the prostitutes and all other sinners and was perceived that he was also one of them. Their comunity was seperated between the ceremonially clean and the unclean and Jesus kept company to the unclean as the lepers the woman with the issue the adulterer woman the man in the pool the demoniac man in the cemetery. Even he benefited the Gentiles.Definitely Jesus was a Sheppard to the unclean and unriteous. And took care of them like a good Sheppard would. 

When the logos decided to come to us Jesus he knew that he will have to die and that after that he will return to his Father. 

Definitely Jesus was not a Jew subject to the Jewish law of clean and unclean. He touched the lepers and the lepers became clean and he was clean. If a Jew touch anything unclean he becomes unclean and he needs cleansing. But not for Jesus he did not need the cleansing laws and definitely not the yearly Atonements.

Wasting His goods the Father had given him it can be taken when Jesus used his gifts from the Father to help and healed the prostitutes and adulterous and  the sinners as in the Jewish at that time the belief was that was their punishment from God. 

 

When the Lord gave a parable, He had in mind a picture that would illustrate a point or principle. While we can, and should, use all the facts we can't add or subtract. Now suppose i said to you that in Matthew 13 there are seven parables and they all reveal the way to the cross. You would not agree that this was the meaning.

The parable of the prodigal starts with verses 3-10 which is about a lost sheep being found and everybody rejoicing. Verse 11 starts with a "and", or a "but". That means, by the rues of language, that what went before is connectd to what goes after. These are the facts
There is a Father. he is generous and fair and loves his sons
There are TWO son's. Two is the number of "witness"
The older is faithful in service but seeks justice too quickly
The younger does not care for his father's goods
The younger has no patience. He cannot wait for his inheritance
The younger loves to satisfy the flesh
The younger lives for today and makes no provision for the future
The younger love whoring and partying
The younger wasted his Father's goods
The younger admits he is not worthy to be a son anymore
The younger lands with the pigs, not by choice but because he is wanton

Now, I, and many others, just cannot see, calculate or fathom that this could be Jesus. Of course I do not have full knowledge, and could have missed the point. But the facts don't allow me any other option than this is a stray Christians. I know such Christians.

[Marathoner]

I'm of the opinion that the parable of the prodigal son speaks of the relationship between Jews and Gentiles, with Gentiles represented by the younger son who was extravagantly wasteful with his inheritance. The elder son was indignant that the father (the Lord) rejoiced when His younger son, who was once dead, returned to Him and is now alive. 

What the younger son did with his inheritance approximates customs of the ancient world at that time; mentioning swine (pigs) in particular is critical because they were kept and consumed by Gentiles. The nature of the relationship between the elder son and the younger son particularly stands out in the book of Acts with certain Jewish believers demanding that Gentiles added to the Body conform to the law of Moses (which was resolved in Acts 15). 

Just my opinion. 

Edited November 28, 2024 by Marathoner