Lukewarm Christian

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, Ray12614 said:

I guess I understand what you are implying by differing 'lukewarm Christians' and 'Born again Christians' . . . but . . . still . . . 

Nobody is an true Christian unless they are Born Again . . . . 

That is true. Well said but many people call themselves a Christian. Are they a true born again Christian?

[missmuffet]

On 12/20/2024 at 9:53 AM, Who me said:

What is a lukewarm Christian?

Rev3:

14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

21 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

Who among us can truly  say we are not lukewarm!
 

There are a few who are truly born again Christians. They will go in the rapture of the Church and to heaven.

[Vine Abider]

30 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

A lukewarm Christian is not a born again Christian, who will go to heaven. That is the problem.

The traits of a lukewarm Christian:

1. You don't surrender your whole self to God. God is not # 1 in your life.

2. Your faith and trust is only at Church

3. You are a hypocritical Christian.

Where do we find that detailed in scripture, namely that a lukewarm Christian - with the three attributes you mention - is not born again?

(if Laodicea is brought forth as an example of lukewarmness, then why are they a church, with a lampstand who the Lord is trying to lovingly shepherd . . . and otherwise exhorted as real - that is, born again - Christians?)

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Where do we find that detailed in scripture, namely that a lukewarm Christian - with the three attributes you mention - is not born again?

(if Laodicea is brought forth as an example of lukewarmness, then why are they a church, with a lampstand who the Lord is trying to lovingly shepherd . . . and otherwise exhorted as real - that is, born again - Christians?)

Revelation 3:14-22

⁴ “And to the ^[a]angel of the church ^[b]of the Laodiceans write,

‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: ¹⁵ “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. ¹⁶ So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither ^[c]cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. ¹⁷ Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— ¹⁸ I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. ¹⁹ As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten.^[d] Therefore be ^[e]zealous and repent. ²⁰ Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. ²¹ To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

[Michael37]

4 hours ago, missmuffet said:

I will vomit you out of My mouth.

The phrase "I will vomit you out of My mouth" is an example of anthropomorphism, where human characteristics or actions are attributed to God. This specific phrase is found in the Book of Revelation, where Jesus addresses the church in Laodicea:

Revelation 3:16 (NIV)

• "So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth."

Explanation of the Anthropomorphism

• Human Action: The act of vomiting or spitting is a human action that conveys strong disgust or rejection.

• Divine Displeasure: By using this vivid imagery, the text communicates God's intense displeasure with the lukewarm faith of the Laodicean church. It emphasizes that their lack of commitment is unacceptable.

• Call to Repentance: The graphic nature of the phrase serves as a wake-up call, urging the believers to repent and renew their fervor and dedication to God.

Purpose of Anthropomorphism

• Relatability: Anthropomorphisms make divine actions and emotions more relatable and understandable to humans.

• Emphasis: They add emphasis and intensity to the message, making it more impactful and memorable.

• Communication: They bridge the gap between the divine and human experience, helping convey complex spiritual truths in a way that resonates with human readers.

In this context, the phrase "I will vomit you out of My mouth" powerfully conveys the seriousness of spiritual complacency and the urgent need for wholehearted devotion. [Copilot Compilation]

[enoob57]

4 hours ago, Michael37 said:

The phrase "I will vomit you out of My mouth" is an example of anthropomorphism, where human characteristics or actions are attributed to God. This specific phrase is found in the Book of Revelation, where Jesus addresses the church in Laodicea:

Revelation 3:16 (NIV)

• "So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth."

Explanation of the Anthropomorphism

• Human Action: The act of vomiting or spitting is a human action that conveys strong disgust or rejection.

• Divine Displeasure: By using this vivid imagery, the text communicates God's intense displeasure with the lukewarm faith of the Laodicean church. It emphasizes that their lack of commitment is unacceptable.

• Call to Repentance: The graphic nature of the phrase serves as a wake-up call, urging the believers to repent and renew their fervor and dedication to God.

Purpose of Anthropomorphism

• Relatability: Anthropomorphisms make divine actions and emotions more relatable and understandable to humans.

• Emphasis: They add emphasis and intensity to the message, making it more impactful and memorable.

• Communication: They bridge the gap between the divine and human experience, helping convey complex spiritual truths in a way that resonates with human readers.

In this context, the phrase "I will vomit you out of My mouth" powerfully conveys the seriousness of spiritual complacency and the urgent need for wholehearted devotion. [Copilot Compilation]

We become numb to the price God paid for us in the day-to-day grunge of this world... it's not like our Lord hasn't warned us
Matthew 24:12 (KJV)

[12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

We literally have to fight to keep our heart hot to God and His things!

[D. Adrien]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

We become numb to the price God paid for us in the day-to-day grunge of this world... it's not like our Lord hasn't warned us
Matthew 24:12 (KJV)

[12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

We literally have to fight to keep our heart hot to God and His things!

 

And towards others.

[SACREDWARRIOR]

Good Morning All,

 First, to clarify the passage in Revelation, He is not talking about Christians (THOSE WHO ARE TRULY IN CHRIST) He is talking to a group of religionists....who play the game the Greek word is used for SPIT/SPEW is a violent VOMITING...so would Jesus, say this about those that are His?

 so the term "LUKE WARM CHRISTIAN"  IS NOT REALLY A BIBLICAL TERM...

All who are truly saved, will be raptured to be with Christ...He will lovingly embrace them as his children no matter where they are at in their walk...

[1Corinthians 3:12-15 ] 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation [with] gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on [it] endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

This passage illustrates more accurately the weak vs strong christian ( TRULY IN CHRIST)... and will occur at the BEMA SEAT...

THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION SOON ROARS!!

Clarence

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, D. Adrien said:

And towards others.

You just had to say that didn’t you 🥴

[Neighbor]

On 12/19/2024 at 3:37 PM, missmuffet said:

Do you think the lukewarm Christian will go to heaven? I don't think they will go in the rapture of the Church but will have an opportunity to become a born again Christian in the 7 year tribulation.

 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,

‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.  Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.  He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’